"It is better to live one day as a lion, than one hundred years as a sheep"
Reading that article it doesn't seem like it's a new thing. Previous violence against Mainz and Hoffenhiem too.
Don't think the blame can be pinned on RB here.
#propersignature #iwontflouncelikesam #andyformod
Whats great about a 1 team league?
In Germany, all professional Bundesliga clubs are owned on a "50+1" model, which assures that supporters always have a majority ownership. Anyone can become a member - pay your money (in my case,€65 for a year for VfB Stuttgart) and you are a member, and you "own" a share in the club.
Now, there are two historic exceptions - Bayer Leverkusen, who are owned by Bayer pharmaceuticals (who started the club as a leisure activity for Bayer employees) and VfL Wolfsburg, owned by Volkswagen, but again, were started by VW for their employees.
In both those cases, supporters have seats on the board (or the German equivalent) and as such, can advise and consent on policy.
RB Leipzig is a different beast.
Essentially, the Red Bull company bought the assets, and everything else, of a fifth-tier amateur club, SSV Markranstädt, with the aim of taking them to professional status as a marketing tool for the Red Bull company.
They then renamed the club "RB Leipzig". In Germany (with the historical exception of Leverkusen) clubs cannot use "commercial" names. So, in this case, "RB" supposedly stands for "RasenBallsport" (literally, "lawn-ball sports" in German).
And then they threw money at it, making the club professional in all but name, playing against part-timers.
They advanced from the amateur leagues into the regional Oberliga, and then the 2.Bundelsiga, having the budget 3 or 4 times their competitors.
Then they got promoted to the Bundesliga.
Now, remember I said in Germany anyone can become a member of "their" club?
Not in the case of Leipzig.
RB Leipzig has 17 members. And all of those of either employees of Red Bull, or a Red Bull subsidiary.
As a comparison, VfB Stuttgart have around 48,000 members, and FC Bayern have over 285,000, all of whom can vote at meetings and therefore have a say in how "their" club is run
Leipzig is a "closed shop" who won't allow more members, and - crucially - supporter ownership, and that's what grates in Germany.
Club ownership by fans is a massive thing in German football, and even the historic company owned clubs (Wolfsburg and Leverkusen) have supporter representatives on their boards.
Leipzig is, in many German fans eyes, nothing more than a a marketing tool to sell fizzy piss.
Last edited by chriscl; 11-02-17 at 13:37.
Chap who rode down that hill in Chile at 104mph was wearing a Red Bull helmet. They get everywhere, and persuade people to buy that crap.
Just think, it could have been Forest that everybody hates....
I'd prefer to be hated than pitied.
"Outside the family life, there is nothing better than winning the European Cups." Brian Clough
Takes me back to my youth. I've probably mentioned several times that we used to travel down the Reeperbahn to school in 1951, even at that age (9) we used to find it exciting.
Lazio v Milan on BT Sport 3 tonight, pull up a chair, don't mind if I do!
Milan can a barely get a team out atm. It's almost forest like. Even Zapata's been getting a game lately!
Ha! Got away with another one. Wasn't last week's 9 man victory but still.
Decent match though, proper end-to-end stuff!
Zlatan Ibrahimović, take a bow son.
Not bad, for a 35-year old.
Actually, I think his hold up play is great. Any ball lumped up the field, he's usually somewhere around it and laying it off to a team mate when eventually they arrive upfield.