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    Meanwhile in Gelsenkirchen, the natives are most definitely getting restless; Schalke 04 fans protested against their clubs‘ board, demanding their chairman step down and they want to see wholesale change:

    https://p.dw.com/p/3eROx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    Meanwhile in Gelsenkirchen, the natives are most definitely getting restless; Schalke 04 fans protested against their clubs‘ board, demanding their chairman step down and they want to see wholesale change:

    https://p.dw.com/p/3eROx
    Aren't the fans on the board though?


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    Pippo Inzaghi is officially a Serie A coach in 2020/21 with Benevento promoted this evening.

    Alessandro Nesta's team Frosinone are 5th. Only 3 points off 2nd.


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    Quote Originally Posted by uredsuns View Post
    Aren't the fans on the board though?
    Of the overall club, yes. You may remember, many German sports clubs are exactly that - multiple-sports associations, with quite often, men’s and women’s football, plus other sports like handball and basketball.

    But in 2014, Schalke spun their men’s football playing squad off into a separate limited company - entirely legally - and supporters don’t have any representation in that, at all. This was done to attempt to attract investment.

    And they’re apparently €200m in the red, and would have gone bankrupt had the season been cancelled.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    Meanwhile in Gelsenkirchen, the natives are most definitely getting restless; Schalke 04 fans protested against their clubs‘ board, demanding their chairman step down and they want to see wholesale change:

    https://p.dw.com/p/3eROx
    Does seem like massive issues there on many levels.

    Wagner. Has a team of his ever not conceded more goals than they have scored ?

    How he promoted Huddersfield with a negative goal difference still amazes me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy View Post
    Pippo Inzaghi is officially a Serie A coach in 2020/21 with Benevento promoted this evening.

    Alessandro Nesta's team Frosinone are 5th. Only 3 points off 2nd.
    Watched Benevento over the weekend, they seemed unspectacular (0-0 against Empoli) but I'm guessing i picked an off day because they're miles ahead.

    Also, Lorenzo Insigne's brother plays for them, and you can tell they're related just by playing style.


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    ... In other Italian news according to a sky journo the next coach of Rubentus u23's will be......




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    Quote Originally Posted by Huxley View Post
    ... In other Italian news according to a sky journo the next coach of Rubentus u23's will be......




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    Now, you see, I’m torn. Pirlo is one of my all-time favourite players.

    Maybe he’s just going there to polish up his CV before taking the Milan job.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    Now, you see, I’m torn. Pirlo is one of my all-time favourite players.

    Maybe he’s just going there to polish up his CV before taking the Milan job.
    He's got a while to hone his skills, as we're going down the German route next year.

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    Also, I read Signor Buffon has signed another one-year extension with serial penalty-winners, Juventus.

    The goalkeeper, who will be 103 when his new contract expires, has appeared over 500 times for them.

    Clearly there is either something in the water in Torino, else there’s something suspiciously „mad scientist-related“ going on. Being able to play at that level at such an age is impressive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    Of the overall club, yes. You may remember, many German sports clubs are exactly that - multiple-sports associations, with quite often, men’s and women’s football, plus other sports like handball and basketball.

    But in 2014, Schalke spun their men’s football playing squad off into a separate limited company - entirely legally - and supporters don’t have any representation in that, at all. This was done to attempt to attract investment.

    And they’re apparently €200m in the red, and would have gone bankrupt had the season been cancelled.
    How have they managed to seemingly get away with it then with little hatered towards them yet Leipzig didnt? Seems like pretty similar circumstances in the way they have been taken over!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    Of the overall club, yes. You may remember, many German sports clubs are exactly that - multiple-sports associations, with quite often, men’s and women’s football, plus other sports like handball and basketball.

    But in 2014, Schalke spun their men’s football playing squad off into a separate limited company - entirely legally - and supporters don’t have any representation in that, at all. This was done to attempt to attract investment.

    And they’re apparently €200m in the red, and would have gone bankrupt had the season been cancelled.
    How can you do away with the supporters representation which is, apparently, the shining light of German football? Surely if the supporters have a 51/49 control, they just outvote the idea?


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    Quote Originally Posted by uredsuns View Post
    How have they managed to seemingly get away with it then with little hatered towards them yet Leipzig didnt? Seems like pretty similar circumstances in the way they have been taken over!


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    Because the situation is different.

    In Schalke‘s case, the move to (effectively) „outsource“ their first-Team playing staff is purely for financial reasons. And that’s just the first team, nothing else.

    Membership of the club is still open (Schalke, actually, are the second-biggest member-owned club in Germany with 160.000 members; Bayern have about 320.00; as a comparison, VfB Stuttgart have about 68.000)

    The problem with Leipzig is that their structure is entirely closed. They have seventeen members, all of whom are employees of Red Bull or an RB subsidiary, and nobody else’s can join - even if they wanted to.

    And that approach is what winds people up about them - German football is (and always should be) for the fans: that’s why the „50+1“ rule came about.

    Of course, there’s a small but vocal lobby that says the DFB should get rid of „50+1“ and let investors just have at it. I personally think (and my opinion is that of the majority here) that this would be a terrible thing to happen, as it would further raise inequality within the game, and lead to the kind of financial shenanigans seen in some other European leagues, where clubs operate with impunity until it all goes wrong.

    (For what it’s worth - in 2017, VfB did the same process for their first team, and created a separate legal entity for that. This allowed local company - and longtime commercial partner - Daimler-Benz to inject a further €41m into the club, which they would not have been able to do under the existing arrangement. The investment enabled a complete overhaul of the youth and academy facilities - which had been neglected for years - as well as funding several signings. It’s taken some time to become effective, including relegation in 2019, but now, the club has firmly established a strategy based on youth development and a clear plan of going forward, hopefully with a view to again establishing themselves as a force in the Bundesliga. Ask me this time next year how that went...)


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    Quote Originally Posted by valspoodle View Post
    How can you do away with the supporters representation which is, apparently, the shining light of German football? Surely if the supporters have a 51/49 control, they just outvote the idea?
    You don’t, because supporters still „own“ 50+1% off-the-peg parent club; but if the club opens (what is effectively) a subsidiary, that subsidiary does not have direct involvement at Board level of supporters.

    When it works, it works well.

    When it doesn’t, as at Schalke, then the subsidiary is pretty much unacceptable, and that is the Problembehebung Schalke fans have at present. There’s an unpopular President there (Clemmens Tönnies, who has a history of gaffes) who has packed the board of the subsidiary with his cronies).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    Also, I read Signor Buffon has signed another one-year extension with serial penalty-winners, Juventus.

    The goalkeeper, who will be 103 when his new contract expires, has appeared over 500 times for them.

    Clearly there is either something in the water in Torino, else there’s something suspiciously „mad scientist-related“ going on. Being able to play at that level at such an age is impressive.
    Him and Chiellini have renwed. Starting to think it's just because they can't bear Maldini on top of the appearance records.

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    Simon Inzaghi at Lazio is one of the best young managers going around at the moment. Now joined by his brother Pippo in Serie A.

    Has that ever happened before ? Brothers managing against each each other in top flight football at a high level ?


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    Pippo vs Simone (Bologna Vs Lazio)?

    S'all I can think of. I suspected the Charltons but I'm not sure Bobby went into management in any serious way.




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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy View Post
    Simon Inzaghi at Lazio is one of the best young managers going around at the moment. Now joined by his brother Pippo in Serie A.

    Has that ever happened before ? Brothers managing against each each other in top flight football at a high level ?
    There’s one for the pub trivia quiz! I almost thought of the de Boer brothers, but Ronald only managed in Qatar.

    My mate the Lazio fan in Rome is absolutely overjoyed though, with Simone Inzaghi‘s performance at Lazio.

    „He’s put us back on the map“ was the verdict.


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    He won't be too chuffed at the minute as troubled Toro are 1-0 up against Lazio.

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    There’s still time!


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    Apparently so, finished 2-1 to the biancoceleste.

    Although immobile is suspended for the next game (Milan) after picking up a booking.

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    Ter stegen saves a Diego Costa penalty!!

    Is promptly booked and a retake is ordered. He stepped off the line before the kick. Surely a retake is punishment enough?

    Retake is scored, but not by Costa. He bottled it.

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    This fucking Atalanta shirt is probably the best shirt ever to be created.


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    This fucking Atalanta shirt is probably the best shirt ever to be created.
    Looks like the settee my parents had in the early 90s.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Heffing Psycho! View Post
    Looks like the settee my parents had in the early 90s.
    I would’ve loved to see that settee in person then.


 

 

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