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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Stone's Mullet View Post
    Yeah he never, he went to Bristol Rovers. Basford got him from Grantham I think after Saul Deeney got injured, and then Preston kept #1 with his performances.

    Basford have cleared their decks a bit recently. Reid and a few others have gone to Ilkeston Town.
    Just looked through Ilkeston Town's squad. Good Forest group there too - Ross Durrant, Kieran Fenton (sure he stopped football (I used to rate him a lot - natural talent could never be questioned, it was more the other side of the game), James Cullingworth and now James Reid as you mention.

    Talking about scholarships and ex-Reds. Jimmy Knowles (same group as Bondswell, Dekel, Mighten) seems to have really made a name for himself at Mansfield. Breaking records or certainly up there in youngest debutants and goalscorer in their history ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy View Post
    Just looked through Ilkeston Town's squad. Good Forest group there too - Ross Durrant, Kieran Fenton (sure he stopped football (I used to rate him a lot - natural talent could never be questioned, it was more the other side of the game), James Cullingworth and now James Reid as you mention.

    Talking about scholarships and ex-Reds. Jimmy Knowles (same group as Bondswell, Dekel, Mighten) seems to have really made a name for himself at Mansfield. Breaking records or certainly up there in youngest debutants and goalscorer in their history ?
    I went to watch Ilkeston a couple of times last season.

    Fenton played LB. Calm and composed. Didn't look in great shape though.

    I remember hearing about Knowles a while back for Mansfield. Maybe he'll get a real shot with their first team next year, as they've also cut their cloth.


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    I thought Fenton and Gorman both had a chance at a professional career when I saw them in the Youth Cup. Disappointing how it turned out for them.

    James Reid looked a decent footballer too.


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    Interestingly I see Dexter Blackstock is an agent. Looking after James Clarridge who had plenty interest & is basically counted as part of our u23 group despite only joining full-time next season with the 18s.

    Great news for us is that James is extremely happy at Forest despite all the interest he has received from some big clubs.



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    Don't think much of Dexter Blackstock to be honest. Heard some stories of him being a bit of a shady and very selfish character.


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    Negotiated Lansbury's 4 yr 40k a week deal while still playing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bob bobson View Post
    Negotiated Lansbury's 4 yr 40k a week deal while still playing.
    Can’t believe we paid him £50k a week.... and agreed it for a 5 year contract

    Oh FFS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonalair View Post
    Can’t believe we paid him £50k a week.... and agreed it for a 5 year contract
    That was his deal at Villa that he is still on!


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    James Nursey confirming the good news re: James Clarridge

    https://twitter.com/JamesNursey/stat...512089093?s=20



    Last 4 scholar in-takes have had serious interest in our young players and we have offered early scholarship/pro deals to protect them. It's really good we doing it in each age group. Thinking back it was Lascelles and Bamford with this sort of interest so young and then McGugan before them. Not even the Worrall, Yates, Cash (obviously not with us yet), Burke, Walker group got interest at 16. They were more as they performed at u18 and u21/23 level.

    Last 4 groups.

    2000/01 : Shelvey, Johnson, Appiah (sold to Almeria as an u19) (Richardson's progress as an u18/u23 catapulted him into this category)
    2001/02 : Bondswell (lost to Leipzig u16), Dekel, Mighten
    2002/03 : Back
    2003/04 : Clarridge

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    Crystal Palace's redeveloped academy facilities which will give them Cat 1 status when the Audit is in August : https://***********.com/1678456/2020...shared-article




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    More millions of debt when they end up in the 3rd division again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymondo Ponte' View Post
    More millions of debt when they end up in the 3rd division again.
    It's where you should be investing for your club Raymondo. Growth. They've been pretty prudent in the market. The money from the Prem which they have been in for a number of years more than contributes investing in this.

    Leicester are upgrading their training facilities too. State of the art stuff.


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    Makes sense for Palace to invest in their academy. There’s so much talent in their area, should see them well when they eventually drop back to their natural level


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    Quote Originally Posted by RealRed85 View Post
    Makes sense for Palace to invest in their academy. There’s so much talent in their area, should see them well when they eventually drop back to their natural level


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    Would like Brighton down first.

    Another club that have somehow got way above their level and training facilities are state of the art with their Prem money.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy View Post
    Would like Brighton down first.

    Another club that have somehow got way above their level and training facilities are state of the art with their Prem money.
    But the excess TV money available to clubs lucky enough to get there will eventually rebalance the game, so you’ll end up with a vicious circle where no-mark clubs like Bournemouth, Palace and Brighton & Hove end up cementing their places in the top flight, because they’ve now got the cash to invest into world class training and academy facilities, whereas clubs in the second tier (and lower) simply don’t have that luxury.

    You could eventually see proper massively supported clubs like Leeds, Wednesday and Forest unable to make that jump up again.

    Invest the money, you’ll get the rewards in terms of player development, it’s as simple as that.

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    Just thinking now that we have 3 Palace Academy Grads in our squad. Watson, Bostock and Grabban. Tried to sign Moses once. They will sell Zaha for north of 50 million.

    Their current u16s were National Floodlit Cup Champions last season.

    Definitely a great catchment area.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    But the excess TV money available to clubs lucky enough to get there will eventually rebalance the game, so you’ll end up with a vicious circle where no-mark clubs like Bournemouth, Palace and Brighton & Hove end up cementing their places in the top flight, because they’ve now got the cash to invest into world class training and academy facilities, whereas clubs in the second tier (and lower) simply don’t have that luxury.

    You could eventually see proper massively supported clubs like Leeds, Wednesday and Forest unable to make that jump up again.

    Invest the money, you’ll get the rewards in terms of player development, it’s as simple as that.
    Definitely mate. That is why we need to get a piece of that as soon as possible. This season would be great. It is unfortunate that we missing out potentially being with them for these potentially great moments (Wembley and trips to top clubs) but if it means we have to so that the club can push forward then I am all for it now.

    Another example is Burnley. They are now pushing for Cat 1 status and improving their training facilities. Burnley! Whilst Dwight McNeil is a top talent in their first team and they have a good young striker the majority of their academy intakes are still released players from other Cat 1 clubs. But because they have been in the Prem for a while now and have the money they can push for Cat 1 when they are never ahead of other Cat 2 academies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy View Post
    Definitely mate. That is why we need to get a piece of that as soon as possible. This season would be great. It is unfortunate that we missing out potentially being with them for these potentially great moments (Wembley and trips to top clubs) but if it means we have to so that the club can push forward then I am all for it now.

    Another example is Burnley. They are now pushing for Cat 1 status and improving their training facilities. Burnley! Whilst Dwight McNeil is a top talent in their first team and they have a good young striker the majority of their academy intakes are still released players from other Cat 1 clubs. But because they have been in the Prem for a while now and have the money they can push for Cat 1 when they are never ahead of other Cat 2 academies.
    And that circle then continues, as when they have Cat One, they’ll be able to compete for young players in the North West on almost a level footing.

    „Come to Burnley and you’ve a real chance of first team football“ might be a better recruiter than „come to Man City and you’ll get a spot three rows back in the stand for U23 fixtures“.

    Look at the ridiculous Chelsea situation; 38 players out on loan. 38!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    Look at the ridiculous Chelsea situation; 38 players out on loan. 38!
    Deliberate. Chelsea buy very young players from the lower league clubs and get them cheap because the lower league clubs aren't willing to risk gambling whether their prospect makes it when they can just pocket the money now. Chelsea then loan the players out season after season, each time taking a fee, to a point until the original investment is covered. Then they have an asset they can sell for full profit.

    For the youngsters, they get an immediate pay rise by moving to Chelsea, they get access to top quality training facilities whilst still there and then they get almost guaranteed game time playing for a club on loan who are likely to aid their development better than their original club.

    It makes sense for all parties involved, but it is a bit shit. The answer is for the FA/FL to bring in rules on the number of players you can send on loan in anyone season.

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    Tbf things have and are changing with Chelsea. They now finally have a manager backing young talent and a lot of the talent they produce is from the pre-academy and u9 teams now.

    There are so many top young players there but it is important to see how they are producing themselves now.

    They lost a few players before Lampard joined because of no pathway but now young players from u16s upwards are committing their futures to them in a big way. 1 of the one's they will be disappointed about they lost is Jamal Musiala who rejected a scholarship last summer and within a year has got on the Bayern Munich first team bench (only 17). But as we have seen English clubs are losing talent to major European clubs now. Sam Iling Jnr has rejected scholarship from them and looking like Bayern again.

    U19s upwards

    Their current First team
    Reece James (1999)
    Fikayo Tomori (1997)
    Ruben Loftus-Cheek (1996)
    Billy Gilmour (2001)
    Mason Mount (1999)
    Callum Hudson-Odoi (2000)
    Tammy Abraham (1997)

    * Only Gilmour was signed and that was from Rangers.

    Their major loans
    Izzy Brown (1997)(at Luton) (signed from WBA about 7 years ago)
    Jake Clarke-Salter (1997) (at Birmingham)
    Trevoh Chalobah (1999) (at Huddersfield)
    Dujon Sterling (1999) (at Wigan)
    Conor Gallagher (2000) (at Swansea)
    Marc Guehi (2000) (at Swansea)
    George McEachran (2000) (at SC Cambuur)
    Ethan Ampadu (2000)(at Leipzig) (signed from Exeter)

    But now the crucial part is Lampard is giving debuts to current u18s and getting them involved in the first (Their u18s are basically their u23s) and they signing long-term contracts.

    2nd years
    RB: Henry Lawrence (2001) (training with 1st team now)
    CB: Dynel Simeu (2002)
    LB: Ian Maatsen (2002) (signed from PSV & 1st team debut)
    CM: Tino Anjorin(2001) (1st team debut)
    CF: Armando Broja (2001) (1st team debut)

    1st years
    RB/RM: Valentino Livramento (2002) (training with first team now)
    CB: Levi Colwill (2003)
    CM: Lewis Bate (2002) (training with 1st team now)
    CM: Xavier Simons (2003) (signed from Brentford when their academy closed)
    ATT: Bryan Fiabema (2003) (signed from Tromso)

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    Vangelis has already stated he's gonna invest in the facilities on Wilford Lane - can we get to Cat 1 on that land, or would we need a relocation to install some of this state of the art stuff?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MXJ View Post
    Vangelis has already stated he's gonna invest in the facilities on Wilford Lane - can we get to Cat 1 on that land, or would we need a relocation to install some of this state of the art stuff?
    I blame a lot of this on Fawaz Al Hasawi who unfortunately was our owner at the time of change in the youth system in England.

    You would think this would be an area we would invest the money required if we could just get Cat 1 status at Wilford Lane.

    The serious conversations and approvals for the academy at Holme Pierrepont makes me believe there were doubts we have enough space at Wilford.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy View Post
    I blame a lot of this on Fawaz Al Hasawi who unfortunately was our owner at the time of change in the youth system in England.

    You would think this would be an area we would invest the money required if we could just get Cat 1 status at Wilford Lane.

    The serious conversations and approvals for the academy at Holme Pierrepont makes me believe there were doubts we have enough space at Wilford.
    I did in the past wonder if it wasn’t worth a serious conversation with the David Lloyd next door, over resource-sharing?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    I did in the past wonder if it wasn’t worth a serious conversation with the David Lloyd next door, over resource-sharing?
    I wonder how clubs such as David Lloyd will survive post Covid? On the one hand folk are exercising more so that may drive footfall, but on the other they have become used to exercising under their own steam without the need to go to a gym.

    There's also the fact that membership is bloody expensive (circa £100/month) and although the demographic of DL clientele won't be the worst impacted by the recession - it will surely have an impact with some 'tightening of belts' going on. So it could be that DL are open to ways of reducing their overheads or selling off part of their club on Rugby Road.

    The beast is stirring yet again!! :devil:

    it has nothing to do with football or NFFC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    I did in the past wonder if it wasn’t worth a serious conversation with the David Lloyd next door, over resource-sharing?
    If there is any hope of remaining at Wilford I think Forest would have to be creative like that for more space.


 

 

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