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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy View Post
    Burke & Walker together from lower age groups to the first team bench for the first time together at Spurs


    If im not mistaken thats the manager just in front of them?....

    Great photo that..for those who it wont load for, (i know tapatalks playing up again) the image shows two young lads clearly finding their way in the game sitting on the bench, eyes fixed on the action fully aware and fortunate to be sat so close to a left footed, tough tackling, no nonsense example setting captain fantastic and fan favourite Danny Fox with Stuart Pearce behind him making up the numbers in the image as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    If im not mistaken thats the manager just in front of them?....

    Great photo that..for those who it wont load for, (i know tapatalks playing up again) the image shows two young lads clearly finding their way in the game sitting on the bench, eyes fixed on the action fully aware and fortunate to be sat so close to a left footed, tough tackling, no nonsense example setting captain fantastic and fan favourite Danny Fox with Stuart Pearce behind him making up the numbers in the image as well.
    He was probably getting a new arsehole ripped and hoofing most possession away that night.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    Doesn't explain why Brentford have done it too.

    Suspect Huddersfield as a town isn't big enough to have easy access to a number of different options of youngsters coming through which limits the talent pool, made worse when it's so easy to get to both Leeds and Manchester, and the remaining players left aren't at the level the club is now at.

    Nottingham's a fairly big city and not on the doorstep of any other big cities. We're also not in the Premier League so our home grown boys don't have to compete with the likes of N'Golo Kante, Sergio Aguero and Paul Pogba.
    Close to Lancashire isn't it so the fight for talent there with the big clubs is massive and then in Yorkshire they also down the list. It is disappointing because I actually think they were doing pretty well of late as an academy and certainly better than Sheff Wed and Hull.


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    Brentford + Huddersfield were running good academies that were primed to prove successful. Unfortunately, they chose to save a tiny amount of money instead. There's little evidence that backs up that it was a good business decision or sporting decision.

    The saddest part is the club PR campaigns that have successfully convinced their fans that it was the correct decision. Huddersfield fans are adamant that the approx 2m spent of the academy a year was an expense that desperately needed cutting and yet they would never care that much about 2m being spent on an incoming player.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JRSG View Post
    Brentford + Huddersfield were running good academies that were primed to prove successful. Unfortunately, they chose to save a tiny amount of money instead. There's little evidence that backs up that it was a good business decision or sporting decision.

    The saddest part is the club PR campaigns that have successfully convinced their fans that it was the correct decision. Huddersfield fans are adamant that the approx 2m spent of the academy a year was an expense that desperately needed cutting and yet they would never care that much about 2m being spent on an incoming player.
    Huddersfield haven't produced a first team player from their academy in over a decade though. That's £20m with zero return.

    Brentford no idea, but they're operating line of buy in cheap, flog high seems to be working for them.

    Youth academies don't run on 1 year of cost - the kids come in at what - age 10, 11? It's takes £15m odd quid for the batch to come through, of which only 3-4 might play in the team if you're lucky.

    I fully understand the decisions of clubs like those two dropping their academies, especially when they can pick up other academy cast off who've put in the work for free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRSG View Post
    Brentford + Huddersfield were running good academies that were primed to prove successful. Unfortunately, they chose to save a tiny amount of money instead. There's little evidence that backs up that it was a good business decision or sporting decision.

    The saddest part is the club PR campaigns that have successfully convinced their fans that it was the correct decision. Huddersfield fans are adamant that the approx 2m spent of the academy a year was an expense that desperately needed cutting and yet they would never care that much about 2m being spent on an incoming player.
    Hudds decision if memory serves me well was when they were a championship club with ambitions of promotion but thats all they were.

    At that time their record signing was 2 million pounds. So 2 million spent on a gamble each year really doesnt make sense. Its the equivalent of us now spending 13 million.... on a gamble. Of course now they have reached the big league 2 million is nowt.... but they could just as easy be a championship club again come next August where 2 million again becomes a lot.

    Brentford do moneyball aka turd polishing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Hudds decision if memory serves me well was when they were a championship club with ambitions of promotion but thats all they were.

    At that time their record signing was 2 million pounds. So 2 million spent on a gamble each year really doesnt make sense. Its the equivalent of us now spending 13 million.... on a gamble. Of course now they have reached the big league 2 million is nowt.... but they could just as easy be a championship club again come next August where 2 million again becomes a lot.

    Brentford do moneyball aka turd polishing.
    They announced their academy closure in September 2017. It had been talked about for a few months, but they were a PL side when it closed.

    Smithies played 250 games for Huddersfield.
    Jack Hunt played 100+.

    They just got a fee for Jordan Williams and have Ryan Schofield and Matt Daly (who is very well thought of) in their squad. They also lost out on loads of money when they closed their academy and all their kids went elsewhere (mainly to top sides).

    Similarly with Brentford. They've tried to say that they closed the academy because their players were getting knicked, but that wasn't true. Poveda, Bohui and half the current England U16 team only left because they shuttered their academy. They have Mepham now, who they pretend is an example of their B team project working, but he's only there because of their academy (he was at Chelsea previously but joined at an age they no long cater for). That's before you acknowledge that the 'smart business decision' was actually just Benham freeing up some short term cash flow because SmartOdds had a terrible year that season. Both had spent time implementing great standards in their academies that were just about to bear fruit. Fair enough if it was someone who didn't have the infrastructure to begin with, but tearing it down once you've built it up is super dumb. Imagine if Forest had a quiet 5 years from the academy and decided to cut back on it.

    Investing money in your academy is one of the only smart investments in football.


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    Ollie Burke went though a bit of a growth spurt didn't he fucking hell.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    If im not mistaken thats the manager just in front of them?....

    Great photo that..for those who it wont load for, (i know tapatalks playing up again) the image shows two young lads clearly finding their way in the game sitting on the bench, eyes fixed on the action fully aware and fortunate to be sat so close to a left footed, tough tackling, no nonsense example setting captain fantastic and fan favourite Danny Fox with Stuart Pearce behind him making up the numbers in the image as well.
    That's a different Danny Fox, very fucking different.


 

 

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