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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    Not easy if other clubs are also tied into a salary cap.

    Who from the Championship is going to want the Hull players (because they were fucking wank for six months after Christmas)? Probably none. No one from L1 will want them either if they eat up 1/2 the squad salary allowance.

    Going to have to be some leeway here for clubs carrying a bigger wage bill.
    Sorry, I was referencing relegated Prem clubs. They often have a lot of expensive Non-Brits who clubs around Europe are often happen to loan.

    If L1 can implement it with no special measures for relegated clubs, the same can happen for Prem. I don't think it will happen, mind, cos i think there's too many Champ clubs already spending beyond their means, who won't want to give up the chase by having to cut costs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Stone's Mullet View Post
    Crazy move by them. Maybe it will fall into place for them. But with Hughton and Cook available. If i was a club looking for a manager, and has the basis of a good squad like them, with a supportive owner in Lansdown. They're one of the two i'd be going for.
    Yeah its bizarre really, assuming it happens I'd be really disappointed if I was a Bristol City fan. Not complaining though, I'd much rather them appoint a rookie like Terry then a proven manager who is more likely to make them a threat next season.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Stone's Mullet View Post
    I mean, they've just done it now from Champ down to L1. It said it's effective immediately. I'm sure Luton and Charlton aren't too far off anyway. But Hull probably are, I bet Sunderland are, Peterborough usually have a high salary. Ipswich.

    I know it's not getting players from 100k p/w to, say, 20k pw. But I bet Hull have players on 15/20k pw. They paid a 7 figure fee for Burke for instance from West Ham. He won't be on low wages.

    What they'd have to do is loan players out, like Fulham did when they came down.
    Who do they loan them too? If the clubs in the same league have the wage cap then they canít afford them either. Youíre shrinking the market for those players and seeing as those players got relegated the majority arenít going to be in demand. And those players you got rid of have to replaced which also costs money.

    So they have to have different rules to keep from absolute chaos at those relegated clubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Stone's Mullet View Post
    Crazy move by them. Maybe it will fall into place for them. But with Hughton and Cook available. If i was a club looking for a manager, and has the basis of a good squad like them, with a supportive owner in Lansdown. They're one of the two i'd be going for.
    Looks like trying to use connection with top Prem clubs is modus operandi now.

    Bristol City have used Chelsea before with Kalas, Da Silva, Palmer etc and we saw what Derby did with Lampard/Chelsea and Rangers with Gerrard/Liverpool.

    I fully agree with you though. If Lamouchi left tomorrow I would want us to go for Cook.


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    Quote Originally Posted by incapable hulk View Post
    Who do they loan them too? If the clubs in the same league have the wage cap then they canít afford them either. Youíre shrinking the market for those players and seeing as those players got relegated the majority arenít going to be in demand. And those players you got rid of have to replaced which also costs money.

    So they have to have different rules to keep from absolute chaos at those relegated clubs.
    Think Anguiss went to Villarreal.
    Another African midfielder (Seri?) went to Turkey.

    Stoke had to do the same with Etebo and others although they did loan Afobe to Bristol City trying to cut costs because theres was a joke.


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    Quote Originally Posted by incapable hulk View Post
    Attendance is another issue. Our gates have only risen recently due to the promise of the new owners aiming for promotion.

    If fans think their teams have little to play for it will lower gates and ultimately revenues at clubs too.

    A league wide wage cap is great in theory but not when money is so massively skewed by the Premier League.
    Itís creating different rules for clubs in the same league.
    I don't disagree that this isn't ideal as there's always going to be a big gap as long as there are differences between leagues, however that was always going to be the case, at least initially.

    With attendances, I'd say the pricing structure of tickets (particularly for those U25) has been a big reason for increased attendance too, and if clubs are limited in the amount of money they're able to spend, they should be able to reduce the price of tickets and get more fans through the gate, ticket prices can be pretty extortionate in all leagues but there won't be a need if those clubs don't need the revenue the compete (I may be hoping for too much here).


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    Quote Originally Posted by incapable hulk View Post
    Who do they loan them too? If the clubs in the same league have the wage cap then they can’t afford them either. You’re shrinking the market for those players and seeing as those players got relegated the majority aren’t going to be in demand. And those players you got rid of have to replaced which also costs money.

    So they have to have different rules to keep from absolute chaos at those relegated clubs.
    Abroad.

    Fulham spent 54m on Fabri, Seri and Zambo. Got relegated, loaned all 3 out. Bournemouth for example, just rejected £12m for Ramsdale from Sheff Utd. In the salary-cap scenario, when clubs are getting huge offers (granted he's a young lad so not earning loads, but have also sold Are, will likely sell Wilson and more) they'll be forced to do it, and they won't be able to demand crazy money. They'll have to sell and loan.

    What are Hull going to do? As Bryan posted above, they had 3 players earning the salary cap. I think they might have left now, but they've still got more who'll be on what are huge wages for a L1 club on that budget. They're going to have to sell and loan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy View Post
    Aston Villa have just appointed a new assistant to Smith. Looks like John Terry is off to Brizzle.
    Two teams that should be looking towards the top 6 looking like they're about to appoint Jason Tindall and John Terry is definitely good news.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Stone's Mullet View Post
    Abroad.

    Fulham spent 54m on Fabri, Seri and Zambo. Got relegated, loaned all 3 out. Bournemouth for example, just rejected £12m for Ramsdale from Sheff Utd. In the salary-cap scenario, when clubs are getting huge offers (granted he's a young lad so not earning loads, but have also sold Are, will likely sell Wilson and more) they'll be forced to do it, and they won't be able to demand crazy money. They'll have to sell and loan.

    What are Hull going to do? As Bryan posted above, they had 3 players earning the salary cap. I think they might have left now, but they've still got more who'll be on what are huge wages for a L1 club on that budget. They're going to have to sell and loan.
    Yes, I get this but this works on the idea that every club can get rid of every player to someone else or that players will be physically forced to leave. It doesn’t work like that. Fulham weren’t forced to slash their budget by 60% in 6 weeks. Look at Sunderland, they couldn’t give players like Rodwell away for ages. Do you punish a club if they can’t sell a player or a player refuses to leave?

    Also, with the cap they’ve implemented in the lower leagues there are “transition agreements” for relegated clubs. It’s not been blanket implanted so every club has to abide by it straight away.

    It’s not feasible. Otherwise why give the clubs parachute money at all? The reason they are given it is to cushion the blow of relegation, they aren’t suddenly going to rip that up by demanding clubs cut their wage bill by two thirds in 6 weeks. There will have to be rules that take clubs coming down into account.

    If there aren’t then it would just as many problems as a wage cap is intended to prevent.


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    Just another thought to toss into the collective pot:

    With the end of the Brexit-transition period, footballers from the EU are probably going to be treated like every other employee now, so will need to qualify for a work permit.

    That could have repercussions for all clubs at this level, especially those who trawl the continental market for value, as those signings might not meet the criteria for a work permit if they havenít made 75% of their countryís recent international matches.

    Thatíll maybe lead to yet another premium on British talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy View Post
    Think Anguiss went to Villarreal.
    Another African midfielder (Seri?) went to Turkey.

    Stoke had to do the same with Etebo and others although they did loan Afobe to Bristol City trying to cut costs because theres was a joke.
    The point Iím making isnít that some players wonít be moved on, itís that thereís no guarantee that every player is going to be movable. So there have to be rules in place to account for that. And also it puts clubs in a position of having to accept any offer rather than fair offers - just to comply.

    It doesnít stand up unless the teams coming down are given extra room to work in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy View Post
    Indeed. A tweet from a Hull reporter.

    https://twitter.com/PJBuckingham/sta...000804354?s=20

    Iíd take Jon Toral off them


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    Quote Originally Posted by incapable hulk View Post
    The point Iím making isnít that some players wonít be moved on, itís that thereís no guarantee that every player is going to be movable. So there have to be rules in place to account for that. And also it puts clubs in a position of having to accept any offer rather than fair offers - just to comply.

    It doesnít stand up unless the teams coming down are given extra room to work in.
    I assume clubs would have a registration window that ends with the transfer window.

    Only players registered count towards the salary cap but anyone not registered canít play league games.

    So clubs could still pay ridiculous wages to failed Prem players all they like, but on the pitch, every club would have the same cap.

    Would probably make it easier to move players on as well, if they were told they werenít being registered.

    Before this happens though, they need to introduce squad size limits for all divisions (like in Spain) and sort out the loan rules. Iíd ban loan fees completely unless there was a pre-agreed transfer happening at the end of the loan.

    Loans should be for players to play when they normally wouldnít, not a mass farming profit machine like Chelsea do.

    They should also introduce a minimum number of homegrown players in each matchday squad of 18. Iíd suggest 8.

    While Iím at it, Iíd move to 5 divisions of 20 teams each too, with less midweek games. Everything regionalised after that.

    Iím on a roll now, so Iíd also use VAR to punish diving and off the ball incidents only, nothing else. For offsides, Iíd use GPS in playerís performance vests and get rid of linesmen completely.

    Finally, Iíd make all clubs pay a bond at the start of every season. If they declared administration, Iíd expunge all their results, relegate them immediately and use the bond to pay all wages. Then Iíd make all their players available for one transfer window for pre-set prices based on age, position and appearances.

    Iíd also only let new managerial appointments take place in the transfer windows.


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    Maybe I jumped the gun with Terry. Another internal appointment.

    https://twitter.com/GeeMacGee/status...843104257?s=20




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    The PFA have already waded in, saying it’s illegal. Well they manage it in every American sports and it makes it a lot more competitive and gives more chance of teams winning the titles.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy View Post
    Maybe I jumped the gun with Terry. Another internal appointment.

    https://twitter.com/GeeMacGee/status...843104257?s=20

    BristolĎs first team squad - if not their wives - breathe a massive sigh of relief.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy View Post
    Maybe I jumped the gun with Terry. Another internal appointment.

    https://twitter.com/GeeMacGee/status...843104257?s=20

    Oh dear, they don't sound too happy about that looking at the replies to that tweet.


 

 

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