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    Default How good is Lascelles?

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    Future England international? Undoubted potential, but he has a very long way to go to be as good as Kompany or Ferdinand. What are peoples opinions on him?


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    dunno... shame we sold him, but at least got a decent wedge

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    One of the best when he has a leader next to him, and only then for some reason


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    Agree with JordanForest, only ever looked good when Hobbs played beside him.


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    Big potential but needs to be led


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    He has a high ceiling but he'll never be anywhere near as good as Kompany or Ferdinand. He might be as good as Dawson was in is his prime, possibly


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    He reminds me of a thoroughbred racehorse..... Looks awesome in full flight but needs guidance from experience in his ear to reach his full potential.


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    He as a passing resemblance to Joleon Lescott, and he's a similar type of player. We don't know if Lascelles will be better than Lescott or if, like many other highly reated players who fall by the wayside, he'll fall short. But if you recall Lescott's rise at Wolves, sale to Everton, ascension to England and £22m transfer to Man City, Lascelles is still at the begining of his journey. He has potential, but only time will tell.

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    I think he could well play for England one day. Far more potential than the current incumbents Jagielka and Cahill neither of whom are international standard for me.A real dearth of quality in that position at the moment


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    It's difficult to tell. He has all the attributes, but seems to lack a bit of confidence.
    Give him another season of regular football and it'll be more clear whether he's good enough to play at the top level.


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    He's better than Chris Smalling.


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    He's not THAT good


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    He showed last season the potential is there but he has shown so far this season that he needs to work extremely hard to get to that level because he has a lot of improving to do. As for comparisons, Kompany is one I have always used simply because he's incredibly quick for a big man.

    With the England CB's currently though, Dan Harding would fancy his chances.


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    I could look good next to Hobbs. I think he is pretty poor, prone to errors, terrible with the ball. He is young for a centre back and has always had some potential, so it is possible he will improve. I can't see him playing for Newcastle and think he'll end up back in the Championship with someone like Huddersfield.


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    Default Re: How good is Lascelles?

    Quote Originally Posted by winnits View Post
    Big potential but needs to be led
    Was it the Wendies game where Collins was sent off and Lascelles actually then played better ?


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    He's young and so is raw. That makes his potential very high. Physically he is built for CB.
    He needs to improve his ability on the ball. This season his passing has been appalling on occasions.
    He seems to perform best when backs are against the wall and the opposition are pummelling our box as he is excellent in the air. Totally agree he performed at his best along side Hobbs. I think he might do okay with Mancienne and I would like to see him get a chance for a few games instead of Wilson who looks shot to me.

    He could be a future challenger for an England CB position but he has a long way to go yet. I think if he was to play in the next 18 months he might ruin his career. He needs time to develop and to learn the position. CBs like goalkeepers are often slower at learning their trade. His ability to challenge is in part down to the genuinely appalling lack of talent at CB.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    I could look good next to Hobbs. I think he is pretty poor, prone to errors, terrible with the ball. He is young for a centre back and has always had some potential, so it is possible he will improve. I can't see him playing for Newcastle and think he'll end up back in the Championship with someone like Huddersfield.
    To be training with the England squad, he's gotta be decent


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    Huge potential. He has all the attributes to be an EngLnd player in a few years.
    He needs to learn to take responsibility in a defensive partnership, especially physically. His best games have been alongside Hobbs, and if he can transfer that level of performance to every game he will become an international player.

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    When he has the confidence to fully commit he is brilliant, he often seems nervous to do things which lets him down. With experience he'll be a very good player, there is a reason he is so highly thought of


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    I agree that he occasionally seems a little nervous and indecisive.

    As everyone alluded to, he's at his best with Hobbs, someone who's very reassuring and commanding.

    He has all the physical attributes needed, he's not a bad footballer to boot, but he still has plenty to learn.

    What pisses me off though, is all this U21/England attention he gets now, purely because he's signed for Newcastle. It's shows up how much of a sham the FA is and how ignorant they are.

    He's been highly regarded for years, as a 15/16yr old he was genuinely considered the best English CB prospect and potential England captain. He stagnated a little with some injuries, but now he's signed for Newcastle, he's getting training time with the full squad and much more u21 recognition.

    It's not an issue to me because he is/was a Forest player. It's that a talented lad seems to only get such accolades when he makes a Prem move. It's encouraging these lads to get that move to earn those accolades, when in reality, the best thing for them at this sort of age is to be playing football.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Masuka View Post
    When he has the confidence to fully commit he is brilliant, he often seems nervous to do things which lets him down. With experience he'll be a very good player, there is a reason he is so highly thought of

    Is it any wonder he seems to be shaky now though? He played great with Hobbs, who was obviously talking to him and Lascelles was learning. We had the Hobbs transfer saga and then injury. He then found himself playing alongside whoever wasn't on the treatment table at times after that, which isn't great for an experienced player, let alone one learning. Like I stated previously, he was an absolute beast when Collins got sent off ( I think, vs Wendies, haven't got the time to double check) and he proved in that game that he has the composure when he concentrates.

    It may be that in that game he knew he had to focus and blocked all else out. It may be that he is (understandably) more confident with a senior player next to him. Regardless, he proved he HAS got the ability, now he needs to find a way to find that form regularly, and he HAS got time to do that.

    It's all a learning curve for him at present, and I said at the back end of last season that he would benefit from at least another season in the Championship. I still think that holds true, and I think that he could actually do with an extended spell playing alongside Mancienne, despite recent errors from both. Wilson is still not back at full fitness and has made some daft errors, as have all the defence tbh. However, we have Lascelles for the season and I do not think Wilson is fit enough to play every game which is why it makes sense to play Lascelles and Mancienne. Wilson can stay fit (hopefully) and be back-up, whilst allowing Lascelles and Mancienne to build a trusting partnership.

    I know Lascelles is not here next season, but I'd rather we had a solid pairing at the back for now, rather than a chopped and changed one. It would allow, if possible, Wilson to work on muscle strength in his back without a huge injury risk so that he is there for backup. It seems that, at present, this is the best option for him. I'm not even going to consider Hobbs until he is back training tbh, unfortunately, he just seems to have horrible luck. Not sure what we have coming through u-21 wise CD that might break through soon?


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    Difficult to tell as he's in the development stage of his career. Central defenders tend not to mature until the age of around 23. The first 100 appearances are about learning your trade and ironing out the mistakes that are bound to happen. Having an experienced player such as Hobbs next to him obviously helps. Dawson struggled after Des Walker retired and many 'experts' on the forums wrote him off - he went on the spend most of his career in the upper echelons of the premiership. . The potential is there with Jamaal. Only time will tell if he's a Ferdinand or Bramble.


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    Lascelles can only improve. Obviously , he's not the finished product yet , at this stage , he can only learn from his partner but he has all the tools , even more than Dawson imo because he has one thing that dawson do not have - pace.
    If he can fulfill his potential , who knows what limits is there for young jamaal ?


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    Physically he's immense. His parents were both gymnasts, right? That will help him succeed.


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    I've always rated him ever since I saw him play for our youth sides, and thought he looked every bit the kind of player who had immense potential.

    He thrives with a leader next to him, which is why he was so much more effective when alongside Jack Hobbs.

    I think he has all the tools to play at the top level, presumably so do Newcastle, having bought him!

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