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    The pressures on Tommy Robinson, trying to represent mainstream opinion whilst battling against the extremists from the far right, have eventually taken its toll.

    Today he announced he is stepping down as the leader of movement, which is maybe ought to have earned its place in mainstream politics.

    A sad day for the people of the UK, maybe promotion for me.


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    The pressures on Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (who changed his name to Tommy Robinson because it was easier to spell), trying to represent extremist views as mainstream opinion whilst battling against the voices of sense and reason, have eventually taken its toll.

    Today he announced that in a desperate attempt to reduce the likely sentence from his impending court case, he is stepping down as the leader of fringe extremist group the EDL.

    A day of little if no relevance for the people of the UK.


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    Get the impression we'll see Tommy Robinson's tiny little head pop up in a new group which is less thuggish and more political.

    He's not an idiot, he realises that the EDL is frequented by the moronic who don't really buy into much apart from aggression against others. What he wants, I suspect, is to venture into something which offers greater personal profit. Expect him to get more political, somewhat calmer and try and open himself up to a wider group of people such that he can target a UKIP seat in 2015.


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    Can we have a fishing rod smiley, or a wooden spoon perhaps, for when Sedge starts threads like this?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rigler View Post
    Can we have a fishing rod smiley, or a wooden spoon perhaps, for when Sedge starts threads like this?
    Don't think either myself or Rhods, the only others to post here so far, have bitten. Sedge's post brought a smile to my face, but there probably is legitmate discussion to be had here about why TR has decided now is the time to quit the EDL.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieLePop View Post
    Don't think either myself or Rhods, the only others to post here so far, have bitten. Sedge's post brought a smile to my face, but there probably is legitmate discussion to be had here about why TR has decided now is the time to quit the EDL.
    I agree, there is indeed legitmate discussion to be had on this subject. I just can't help but think Sedgred referring to him as the peoples representative, and use of terms like "a sad day for the people of the UK", had as much to do with winding lefties up as sparking serious debate.


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    Modern day Gandhi is Mr Robinson.


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    Interestingly I saw a video clip of him in the audience at a debate on race relations. The panel on the stage and the audience were clearly heavily loaded from Left of centre action groups.

    All things considered he came out of the debate very well and very much the victim. He continually asked a panellist who called him a racist to show him proof of such. She just kept screaming back at him “You are a racist” like a banshee and not offering any proof. Horrible woman.

    I suspect he will continue in politics and has maybe made a genuine (rather than politically expedient) move away from what he created was becoming.

    If he does assist in forming a group that helps create a Muslim movement that is truly moderate and tolerant then he can go from strength to strength.

    If Paisley can hug McGuiness and Mandela hug De Klerk then who knows.


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    The breaking news in France this morning is that the Front National are now ahead of the Conservative l'UMP and well ahead of the incumbent Socialists in the opinion polls. Also they are starting to get support from celebs like Alain Delon.

    Marine Le Pen is a pragmatist and an excellent debater and she has managed to shed the Fascist stigma that still haunts her old man.

    Leftwing intellectualism has been the heart and soul all political debate in France for years even when the conservatives are in power. For her to go into that very hard school and hold her own as a Rightist speaks volumes.


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    At this rate every racist in the UK will be the leader of their own party.


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    Discovered earlier today that a lad I met a few weeks ago, named Ed L., has the Twitter handle @edl and has been getting abuse for months.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    The breaking news in France this morning is that the Front National are now ahead of the Conservative l'UMP and well ahead of the incumbent Socialists in the opinion polls. Also they are starting to get support from celebs like Alain Delon.

    Marine Le Pen is a pragmatist and an excellent debater and she has managed to shed the Fascist stigma that still haunts her old man.

    Leftwing intellectualism has been the heart and soul all political debate in France for years even when the conservatives are in power. For her to go into that very hard school and hold her own as a Rightist speaks volumes.
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    I suggest that we leave Sedgered and LJR in this thread alone, maybe they'll stay in here permanently without fucking up other threads.


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    Maybe we should have a bigot subforum.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieLePop View Post
    Get the impression we'll see Tommy Robinson's tiny little head pop up in a new group which is less thuggish and more political.

    He's not an idiot, he realises that the EDL is frequented by the moronic who don't really buy into much apart from aggression against others. What he wants, I suspect, is to venture into something which offers greater personal profit. Expect him to get more political, somewhat calmer and try and open himself up to a wider group of people such that he can target a UKIP seat in 2015.
    He's joined the Quilliam Foundation; he appeared on TV yesterday flanked by two former radical islamists who are now campaigning against radical, extremist islam.

    The far right are evil, the radical islamists are evil. If former members of both these kinds of groups can get together to combat those who still practice these ideologies that sounds like a good thing to me; as will the demise of the EDL, which is hopefully what will happen now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    Interestingly I saw a video clip of him in the audience at a debate on race relations. The panel on the stage and the audience were clearly heavily loaded from Left of centre action groups.

    All things considered he came out of the debate very well and very much the victim. He continually asked a panellist who called him a racist to show him proof of such. She just kept screaming back at him “You are a racist” like a banshee and not offering any proof. Horrible woman.
    Just because that women was acting like a prat doesn't make him right, does it? If you're going to judge the whole anti-fascist movement by the actions of one shouty woman then you might as well judge the whole of right-wing politics by one of Mr Robinson's more thuggish members.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbus View Post
    He's joined the Quilliam Foundation; he appeared on TV yesterday flanked by two former radical islamists who are now campaigning against radical, extremist islam.

    The far right are evil, the radical islamists are evil. If former members of both these kinds of groups can get together to combat those who still practice these ideologies that sounds like a good thing to me; as will the demise of the EDL, which is hopefully what will happen now.
    If Robinson genuinely wanted to recruit Muslims rather than racists to improve race relations he would have given his organisation a different name and not branded it with Crusade imagery. If he's not smart enough to realise that, then he's probably not the chap for the job.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    If Robinson genuinely wanted to recruit Muslims rather than racists to improve race relations he would have given his organisation a different name and not branded it with Crusade imagery. If he's not smart enough to realise that, then he's probably not the chap for the job.
    Oh he didn't originally, obviously. But I've seen Maajid Nawaz on Newsnight and similar on several occasions he does seem a deal brighter than Robinson and maybe he's been able to make him realise it, even if he never was going to do on his own.

    After all, what has been happening is that Anjem Choudrey and his cronies and Tommy Robinson and his EDL cronies have been giving each other reason to exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lichaj of the Tiger View Post
    You're a turkey voting for Christmas.
    Lichaj, Robbie, Alex et al

    As much as I fear the Far Right for obvious historical reasons, the modern Far Left are a totally different breed to the old days of Foot, Crossman & Benn.

    The Far Left now have become an ugly, undemocratic bunch of Stalinist thugs that regularly try to suppress free speech and are as bigoted as the Far Right of the 1930's. In contrast parties like the FN and UKIP are occupying ground deserted by traditional conservative parties who are now more like soft Social Democrats.

    Many ordinary Europeans want the same things – less government interference in their lives, the punishment of criminals, the return of discipline to schools and the home, and a return to a sense of national pride and identity. These are the very things that middle class Left-wingers hate but the FN and UKIP are offering.

    Many of you say the Europe is “lurching to the Right' but they are not. They are wanting a return to a world were they felt safe in their homes, kids did what they were told, and you didn't feel like a stranger in your own country.

    The current three party cosy Westminster system is not sustainable and at some stage someone will come along to break it. It may well not be Farage or Robinson, but please God it is not another Mosley, because the longer you ignore the ordinary folk the more likely that becomes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    less government interference in their lives, the punishment of criminals, the return of discipline to schools and the home
    Your observations about shifts in party politics may be correct, but how does voting for UKIP help with the above? You can't blame everything on foreigners. To be honest I'm not sure even a "sense of national pride and identity" can be restored in the UK by either leaving the EU or kicking out Johnny Foreigner, given our country's history of absorbing immigrant populations and pushing our weight around overseas. The issues you raise are all problems, but you don't have to be a far-left bigot to think that maybe UKIP don't have the solution.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    Your observations about shifts in party politics may be correct, but how does voting for UKIP help with the above? You can't blame everything on foreigners. To be honest I'm not sure even a "sense of national pride and identity" can be restored in the UK by either leaving the EU or kicking out Johnny Foreigner, given our country's history of absorbing immigrant populations and pushing our weight around overseas. The issues you raise are all problems, but you don't have to be a far-left bigot to think that maybe UKIP don't have the solution.
    Alex – UKIP and the FN would have to confront the same problem as any government does – Promises v Delivery.

    From what I have read neither UKIP nor the FN are against immigration but rather want a selective and controlled system along with assimilation.

    It is not just in the UK that people are sick to the teeth of the bureaucracy, waste and interference that emanates from Brussels & Strasbourg. This is another reason nationalism is on the rise across the EU. The EU needs reform badly and it is going to happen one way or another.

    The desire not to get embroiled in foreign conflicts is also a common desire with ordinary Europeans.

    The current situation reminds me of World War One where the average German, Frenchman and Brit had common aspiration and if left alone would have got on like a house on fire exchanging fags, beers and jokes. The problem is that the fooking political elite still just don't get it 100 year on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    Interestingly I saw a video clip of him in the audience at a debate on race relations. The panel on the stage and the audience were clearly heavily loaded from Left of centre action groups.

    All things considered he came out of the debate very well and very much the victim. He continually asked a panellist who called him a racist to show him proof of such. She just kept screaming back at him “You are a racist” like a banshee and not offering any proof. Horrible woman.

    I suspect he will continue in politics and has maybe made a genuine (rather than politically expedient) move away from what he created was becoming.

    If he does assist in forming a group that helps create a Muslim movement that is truly moderate and tolerant then he can go from strength to strength.

    If Paisley can hug McGuiness and Mandela hug De Klerk then who knows.
    I watched that debate, the panelists and audience were absolutely awful. Typified everything he said about offering no valid opinion and just branded 'racist' everytime Radical Islam is criticised.

    The far left are just as bad if not worse than the far right IMO


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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Dawn View Post
    I watched that debate, the panelists and audience were absolutely awful. Typified everything he said about offering no valid opinion and just branded 'racist' everytime Radical Islam is criticised.

    The far left are just as bad if not worse than the far right IMO
    I agree mate - if they intended to humiliate Robinson it really backfired on them.

    He came across as an ordinary working class British bloke being harangued and ridiculed for what he is, by a rabid gang of sanctimonious university educated middle-class snobs.


 

 

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