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    Default Billy: Motivator - yes ; Tactician - ?

    Without doubt,Billy is a superb motivator. He has taken a team of average performers and led them on a very creditable run , in the process turning a lack-lustre season on the pitch ( if a tumultuous one off it ) into one where there is still a possibility of a fairytale ending.

    However,motivation alone can only take you so far.After our great run - and even before it ended at Cardiff - the signs were there that we know we have a very good midfield ( for the Championship ), a suspect defence and an attack that doesn't even fire blanks.We have discussed the reasons,from the lack of width and pace to the fundamental inadequacies of Dex etc.,but the fact remains that Billy has managed to get them playing out of their skins as a team.This motivational push can only take you so far.Has Billy got the tactical nous to weld to his motivational ability to get us over the line,as he can't squeeze any more from them through motivation alone?

    At this stage of the season we are not able to alter the composition of the squad so Billy's tactical choices are clearly limited.But has he got the tactical abilities to deal with what faces us? He has exhibited some traits previously which have cost us.It is pleasing to see that this time his approach has been much more positive,especially away from home,really 'going for it',but do we think he has enough smarts to steer our team through the remaining games ( not just the last four but the three after that)?


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    Default Re: Billy: Motivator - yes ; Tactician - ?

    A great man once said:

    "There's been a lot said about tactics by people who could barely win a game of bloody dominoes".

    And he was pretty successful, as I seem to remember.

    „I believe in socialism because it seems more humanitarian, rather than every man for himself and 'I'm alright jack' and all those arsehole businessmen with all the loot. I made up my mind from viewing society from that angle. That's where I'm from and there's where I've made my decisions from. That's why I believe in socialism“

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    Default Re: Billy: Motivator - yes ; Tactician - ?

    Lets see, out of 3 managers this year which one has managed to get an unbalanced midfield which has underperformed all season set up just right?

    Oh and also negated a lot if weaknesses in a frail defense.

    The reaction the past few days to one defeat away from home and down to 10 men against the league leaders has been a bit embaressing at times too.

    Show me a query of Billy's tactics after we beat Hull 2-1 and thats a valid one. The fact that suddenly people are querying those tactics which saw such a run is pure facepalm, especially when 2 other managers have faced the same problems all season and failed to present anywhere near as many solutions or results.

    Quote Originally Posted by chriscl View Post
    A great man once said:

    "There's been a lot said about tactics by people who could barely win a game of bloody dominoes".

    And he was pretty successful, as I seem to remember.


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    Not sure tactics are the key here. The slight dip in form seems to be more about the players retreating into their shells a bit and not playing to the same intensity and energy levels of when Bd first came in.
    All season whenever we got to the fringe of the play off places we seemed to hit a wall and couldn't push on.
    Hoping our players show they have some bollocks and if they do miss out it isn't for the want of trying.


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    Default Re: Billy: Motivator - yes ; Tactician - ?

    I'm pretty sure i will get some stick for opinion on this but i honestly don't think he is a very good tactician, simply 'cause when the pressure is really on he bottles it, play off games for example he got outdone by both Rodgers and Holloway. His actual tactics are basically the same every game apart from switching the strikers up or playing deeper. Saying all that there is no doubt he can motivate players, I have no idea how he does it but whatever he tells the team it clearly works, but I definitely think he can improve on the tactical side of the game. In his near 2 years out of work it doesn't seem like he has actually learnt a new style of play like id hoped.

    Clearly he has something about him as he is our most successful manager in recent history theirs no denying that, but a lot of our recent managers have been clueless to be fair.


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    Default Re: Billy: Motivator - yes ; Tactician - ?

    Can we just come back to reality for a second.. are we seriously questioning this mans ability on the basis of 1 loss in 11?

    Look I don't care what a manager does, they have a job to set a side up to achieve results. Now whether that is by the miracle of motivation or the way he sets a side up tactically, I don't care you can't look into that and neither can I because we don't know.

    All we can go off is what we see on the pitch Davies has a job and that is to send a team of 11 players out on a field on a saturday afternoon and get a win. Now for a manager who has had what 6 full seasons in the championship and all of which have led to a top 6 finish can you honestly question his tactics? Really?

    The fact as I said before that this is all coming off the back of 1 loss in 11 I find even more baffling. Add the fact we are seeing such good form after 2 years or so of pure crap before that pretty much as well I cannot understand the issue?!


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    Default Re: Billy: Motivator - yes ; Tactician - ?

    Well if a motivator can go on 3 20 odd games unbeaten and 4 play off spots then ill settle for billy just being a motivator.

    What do u think is in PowerPoint presentations?
    I'm guessing tactics and info about the opponents

    Talk about jumping on the bandwagon. He's been tagged with this and unfortunately it ll be with him forever.


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    Default Re: Billy: Motivator - yes ; Tactician - ?

    This might fly in the face of recent pessimism on here, but I think we will not only get in the playoffs this year, I think we will win them.

    And Im not normally that optimistic when it comes to Forest.

    *puts tin hat on*


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    Quote Originally Posted by RealRed85 View Post
    This might fly in the face of recent pessimism on here, but I think we will not only get in the playoffs this year, I think we will win them.
    This.


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    Default Re: Billy: Motivator - yes ; Tactician - ?

    Tactically, he has a great Plan A.


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    Default Re: Billy: Motivator - yes ; Tactician - ?

    Personally the way footballers are these days I think I'd rather a motivator than a tactician.

    Is mcclaren supposed to be a student of the game?


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    Default Re: Billy: Motivator - yes ; Tactician - ?

    Quote Originally Posted by 8balluk View Post
    Personally the way footballers are these days I think I'd rather a motivator than a tactician.

    Is mcclaren supposed to be a student of the game?
    I'm a big fan of Billy and think we were nuts to get rid of him in the first place.

    However, I was a little concerned by his "motivational" rant at the midfielders which is doing the rounds.

    I felt he came across a little unhinged. One of my fears is that he is on a personal mission to prove he can get us up and ultimately I hope this isn't his undoing.

    That said, all of the over-the-top reactions to 1 loss in 11 is ridiculous.


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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    I'm a big fan of Billy and think we were nuts to get rid of him in the first place.

    However, I was a little concerned by his "motivational" rant at the midfielders which is doing the rounds.

    I felt he came across a little unhinged. One of my fears is that he is on a personal mission to prove he can get us up and ultimately I hope this isn't his undoing.

    That said, all of the over-the-top reactions to 1 loss in 11 is ridiculous.
    Not heard of rant

    Have u a link?


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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    However, I was a little concerned by his "motivational" rant at the midfielders which is doing the rounds.

    I felt he came across a little unhinged. One of my fears is that he is on a personal mission to prove he can get us up and ultimately I hope this isn't his undoing.
    Well, yes, he does tend to talk about himself a lot more than the players, the club or the owners.

    At the end of the day, he will be judged by the results, even though it is a team effort. There is no "I" in team but there is a "me".


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    Quote Originally Posted by RealRed85 View Post
    This might fly in the face of recent pessimism on here, but I think we will not only get in the playoffs this year, I think we will win them.

    And Im not normally that optimistic when it comes to Forest.

    *puts tin hat on*
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    Default Re: Billy: Motivator - yes ; Tactician - ?

    Quote Originally Posted by 8balluk View Post
    Not heard of rant

    Have u a link?
    Might be this:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22155099#asset


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    Default Re: Billy: Motivator - yes ; Tactician - ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Earnie View Post

    Nothing wrong with that. He's right.


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    Default Re: Billy: Motivator - yes ; Tactician - ?

    He's tactically brilliant for the top 6.


    But I understand people questioning whether he's a top 2 tactician. He can go from a very good Championship manager, to a top class one. He's got the money, so he has no excuses.


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    Default Re: Billy: Motivator - yes ; Tactician - ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Earnie View Post


    Have to say, his rant at the end made me laugh.


    The questioning of Davies's tactics seems a bit over the top at the minute. Its fair game of course, but on the back of a run of 1 defeat in 12 (or is it 11?) when you take into account how poor we've been so far this season - seems like a bit of an overreaction.


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    Default Re: Billy: Motivator - yes ; Tactician - ?

    To be honest, Billy's tactics were not good enough in two play off semi's. On the big days he does get it wrong. I hope he has learned from it though. Still I won't be upset if we fail to get a top six spot, we are not going down are we.


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    Default Re: Billy: Motivator - yes ; Tactician - ?

    Love it


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    Default Re: Billy: Motivator - yes ; Tactician - ?

    Any of you want to revise your opinions in the light of tonight's defeat.
    You can call it "lost 2 in 12" if you like.
    i call it 3 points from 15 at a crucial stage of the season.


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    Default Re: Billy: Motivator - yes ; Tactician - ?

    Billy wants to stop watching them videos up his home in Scotland and kick some ass on that training ground everyday !

    You can get away with tactics to a degree if there's some good old fashioned bollockings dished out !

    Get nasty Billy, get savage !


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    Default Re: Billy: Motivator - yes ; Tactician - ?

    Only so much anyone can do with the squad he inherited. You can tell he's frustrated at his lack of options, but that's the price we pay for wrecking great foundations and giving the club to McClaren, Cotterill & Marthur for a year.

    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    I'm a big fan of Billy and think we were nuts to get rid of him in the first place.

    However, I was a little concerned by his "motivational" rant at the midfielders which is doing the rounds.

    I felt he came across a little unhinged. One of my fears is that he is on a personal mission to prove he can get us up and ultimately I hope this isn't his undoing.

    That said, all of the over-the-top reactions to 1 loss in 11 is ridiculous.
    Good production - eerie music and crafted editing.


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    Default Re: Billy: Motivator - yes ; Tactician - ?

    His worse tactics are that we barely hear from the guy any more unless you wanna pay 4.99 a month (Which I do) and even then it is delayed.

    I'd just like to hear from him after matches to be honest, nothing after games from him and all we got was a token Lansbury saying we did alright which was bollocks. Even after both playoff implosions he made me excited for the next season, now I'm just left on the floor.

    One day when I can financially afford to get to away games more at least I'll see him applaud us maybe but that's still it.

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