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    Now I love Nirvana but so many of their songs were nicked from other stuff and Kurt doesn't get anywhere near the shit that Noel does. Here's a prime example:






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    Radiohead threatened threatened to sue Lana Del Rey for ripping off the song they ripped off the Hollies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harvey View Post
    Now I love Nirvana but so many of their songs were nicked from other stuff and Kurt doesn't get anywhere near the shit that Noel does. Here's a prime example:



    This was an obvious one at the time. Instantly recognisable as a rip off. It took me a while to have any respect for Nirvana because of this.

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    This was an obvious one at the time. Instantly recognisable as a rip off. It took me a while to have any respect for Nirvana because of this.
    This is it Ravi. It annoys me that Kurt gets annointed as this tragic genius songwriter when he ripped off half the songs he wrote. Whereas Noel gets branded a thief.


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    All popular music somehow descends into something else.


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    Ripped off Zebra - Don't Walk Away:




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    Ripped of the 4 Skins - On the Streets




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    Quote Originally Posted by Freddie View Post
    All popular music somehow descends into something else.
    Apart from maybe... David Bowie? I can't think of any examples at the moment but there's bound to be


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    Led Zeppelin plagiarism could fill a thread.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Harvey View Post
    This is it Ravi. It annoys me that Kurt gets annointed as this tragic genius songwriter when he ripped off half the songs he wrote. Whereas Noel gets branded a thief.
    Nirvana were an excellent covers band.


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    Animals - House of The Rising Sun.

    Bob Dylan - House of The Rising Sun.

    Leadbelly - House of the Rising Sun.

    Probably a troubadour song, turned into a plantation song, that Leadbelly was taught.

    For me, basically the same as Noel using Get It On, or Kurt using the Pixies or whatever. Nobody should care, because that's what music is, and if you played any instrument, you'd know there's not much you can do with 12 notes or so. You're bound to find bits of music you write that you've listened to 200s of times without realising.

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    Anything Liam Gallagher does > anything John Lennon did.


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    Cobain died at 27. Rock stars and Hollywood actors are remembered more fondly when they die at 27. Gallagher definitely would have, he'd have just written Definitely Maybe and none of the crap that followed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Freddie View Post
    Apart from maybe... David Bowie? I can't think of any examples at the moment but there's bound to be
    The Pin Ups album was basically a bunch of covers.


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    The 27 club.

    Jimi Hendrix is someone we can all agree innovated and created original music.


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    It’s difficult, because some artists write something innocently without knowing they’ve heard the melody maybe just in passing elsewhere. Others blatantly rip off existing music. Then there’s the fact that there are only so many formulas in music, or chord progressions.

    Here’s an example




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    I don't think it matters that much, but its a pity that rock makes so much out of originality.

    Now reggae on the other hand, No problem. Almost every style acknowledges it's 'riddim'.



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    Nirvana nor Oasis bother me too much tbh. There's enough different elements in their songs to class it as an evolution of the song rather than a rip off. I would say that the original artist has a claim to some royalties though.

    Now the Coldplay one to me is just a pure rip off.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryn Gunn View Post
    It’s difficult, because some artists write something innocently without knowing they’ve heard the melody maybe just in passing elsewhere. Others blatantly rip off existing music. Then there’s the fact that there are only so many formulas in music, or chord progressions.

    Here’s an example

    Yup. I once wrote a song called "Dirty Lovin" and it wasn't inspired by anything.it was born out a warm up jam with a drummer which was at the start of a rehearsal we recorded.

    Got accused of ripping off Kiss' "Dirty Living"

    If I wrote an album which sold 50 million, I'd be happy for other artists to take elements & make it their own, so long as they evolved it.

    It's like Star Wars being an evolution of some of the early Flash Gordon stuff. There's way more to it than just a few similar notes & beats.

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    There’s twelve notes in an Octave. Key theory has been the same for the last couple of hundred years, where each major key has a relative minor, and intervals determine the tension between notes within the same „key“.

    Frankly, and I say this as an amateur musician within an interest in songwriting, it’s incredibly difficult to come up,with a riff, a melody or a chord progression that doesn’t have roots somewhere in the last fifty odd years of popular music?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    There’s twelve notes in an Octave. Key theory has been the same for the last couple of hundred years, where each major key has a relative minor, and intervals determine the tension between notes within the same „key“.

    Frankly, and I say this as an amateur musician within an interest in songwriting, it’s incredibly difficult to come up,with a riff, a melody or a chord progression that doesn’t have roots somewhere in the last fifty odd years of popular music?
    This entirely.

    Used to think about this a lot and the last ‘original’ guitar music to be written is probably the Thrash/Death Metal era when a lot of rules were thrown out the window.
    Black Sabbath were the first band to commercially use the tritone or ‘devil note’ but that whole genre of music used it later and took things even further.
    Because they used progressions and notes that were out of key I’ve seen it described as chromatic passages within the main key of the song.

    Bands like Sonic Youth and Placebo interested me with their alternative tunings. The timbre in their sound was definitely different, especially SY, but theoretically they were still playing standard progressions.

    It eventually blows your mind and trying to write something truly original is virtually impossible.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    There’s twelve notes in an Octave. Key theory has been the same for the last couple of hundred years, where each major key has a relative minor, and intervals determine the tension between notes within the same „key“.

    Frankly, and I say this as an amateur musician within an interest in songwriting, it’s incredibly difficult to come up,with a riff, a melody or a chord progression that doesn’t have roots somewhere in the last fifty odd years of popular music?
    Twelve notes in Western music. Indian Ragas also use the notes between those twelve.


 

 

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