Rich, but not so bright. The Ashley Cole saga is beyond ridiculous. Offering a 31 year old, of his pedigree, a 12 month deal is beyond insulting. For my money, he's probably still the best left back in the game today. The other vets at Chelsea are watching closely, make no mistake.
Roman better get a clue, and quick.
Cole will apparently go to PSG next year if he doesn't get more than a one year deal offered at Chelsea.
"I don't want to be rude but I could not have gone to Derby. It was impossible"
Guy Moussi, July 2011.
Is this something to do with his policy of awarding contracts only short term to players over the age of 30, as opposed to the undoubted ability of Cole.
he won't be very happy at the moment, his team of galacticos are 2-0 down courtesy of "oh robin van persie,oh robin van persie"...hate that chant!
2-2 now, and two red cards.
The second yellow to Torres is exactly why I rarely, very rarely, book players for diving.
3-2! Manyoo Cannot wait for MOtD later!
And United's third goal clearly offside. Very poor examples of ARing today. And, for me, both easy calls.
Clattenburg can be such a tosser at times. He is a good ref but then has days like these. Shouldn't be in charge of big games as he wants to be in the headlines.
Dropped a right Clattenburg in this game. Ruined a good contest.
Gary Neville speaking sense as usual.
I have never forgiven him for rightly sending off Michael Dawson in the play-offs
Why offer an aging left back in the twilight of his career, who you are likely to replace in the next year or so a longer, expensive contract
Cole is one of the best lbs in the world right now, but hes not going likely to be for much longer
This is one of the rare instances of abramovic actually thinking of the future
Can you really see ashley cole playing 50 odd games at the same level in 2 years time?
"I've been blessed with many things in this life: an arm like a damn rocket, a c**k like a burmese python, and the mind of a f**king scientist" - Kenny Powers
Diving is a cancer of the sport.
It needs eradicating.
Football is a contact sport, not a non contact one.
Football should be an honest sport, not one where players know they can dive to gain an advantage and get away with it.
It needs to be nipped in the bud at grass roots. Not have refs allowing it
Last edited by incapable hulk; 28-10-12 at 20:39.
Hahaha, way too funny Hulkster.
I'm not doing my job? Before the recent blast about diving, how many times a weekend would dives be sanctionned? Maybe three. Maybe. So, probably every fucking referee on planet earth is not doing their fucking job. Not just me.
I'll say this once. It's real easy to sit there and make blanket statements from the confines of an armchair. You want to change refereeing? Take a course and show all of us how it is done. And having fun trying to push your square pegs into round holes.
We don't "allow it". "We" just realize that trying to differentiate a con, from a foul, at a quick speed, from a single angle, in a split second, is a real tough thing to get right most of the time, let alone all of the time. Refs who guess about this type of stuff are shit, and even at the local level here in Canada, guys who sanction for diving with any regularity stop getting games. Because they ruin them with their "guesses" and their "own agenda".
If you really think you can eradicate diving, then knock yourself out, take a course, and tell me who you are doing in five years. or whatever.
You seem to think this is a simple issue. It isn't. And there is only one way for you to find out. So take a course, and good luck.
And my pre game toss used to be "I view soccer (sorry, Canada shit) as a contact sport, and referee it as such". I stopped doing it when I realized I was, more or less, empowering thugs to push my patience.
Now regarding Ash Cole. If Chelsea do not show him loyalty for his years of service (and he is still the best left back in the Prem) then what exactly are they saying to their 30 year olds? They are saying "Leave". And Chelsea would not have a CL trophy if the vets had all left. You can't win this sport with a bunch of good young players. See Arsenal.
Woudl you like to see Forest cut loose all their vets when they hit 30, 31? Do you think that is fair for them, fair for the fans? I would be appalled if we ever pull that shit. It's one thing to shunt aside older players who can't cut it. And it's another to release, say, Giggs or Scholes, when they are 33. Isn't it?
I think it is prudent to adopt a policy whereby which you only offer the members of your squad who are over the age of 30 a rolling year long contract.
In an era when a player has far greater control and power to wield over an employer, this seems to be a wise step for a business man to take.
And, like it or not, football is a business.
I wouldn't give ANY player more than a year contract, let them earn the bastard year on year.
Baines is better than Cole.
If your a ref, you should have the confidence and skill to be able to spot a dive.
If your never going to book people for diving, because your never sure- give up refereeing. Your doing it wrong
Refs do only get one chance to make a decision and most of the time they get things right.
That should include booking people for diving.
When you have refs like yourself saying "torres went down easy but hes entitled to" thats wrong. Thats not the rules, and your not applying them correctly.
Players are not entitled to go down when theres contact or over dramatise it. They should only fall if they are actually tripped- not go sprawling when someone breathes near them.
Torres dived, and was quite correctly booked for it. Its a good thing, because if it makes even one person in the game think twice about twice - its had a positive impact
But professional refs are paid to do a job, and have that job scrutinised by international media. Allowing cheating because they arent sure is wrong, because if they do only have one chance to see something and they cant judge that- how can they judge if its a foul in the first place? If your not confident to tell when someone is diving, how are you confident enough to make any decision? You see each one the same amount of times.
Im sorry, but if you are allowing people to get away with it because your not sure then thats potentially having an impact on the teams your refereeing
Refs have to have sound judgement, and be confident in thier decisions. Otherwise you get to a point where they cant give nay decisions because they arent sure.
Its quite funny you say that refs in canada stop getting games if they punish diving- so the refs are more protective of keeping themselves in a job than actually doing it properly? And the authorities sack refs if they apply the rules of the game?
Bizzarre. But maybe this is why Canada is so terrible at football, because when they actually play other teams from other countries- they come up against refs who actually enforce rules? Rather than ones who are too scared to book someone for fear of getting the sack.
Stating football is a contact sport, only empowers thugs if you let. Again, your doing it wrong. Book people for genuine fouls or thuggery.
But you should also punish people who you think are cheating to gain an advantage. Being too scared to do so is what spoils the game.
We need a year of the authorities really cracking down on players diving and conning free kicks/pens to stop players doing it.
Not booking someone for diving on the off chance its wrong, is wierd when you consider you dont apply the same blanket rule to not giving penalities in case its wrong or free kicks- or anything.
Why is more acceptable to allow diving? I dont understand this?
Refs should not be able to pick and choose what rules they abide by- this is people moan about consistency.
Also, i dont think its a simple issue - nowhere have i said that. But i do think its something that isnt cracked down on, which is highlighted when your making a campaign statement about how you as a ref rarely book for diving, and in another thread your saying torres shouldnt be booked for diving because hes entitled to do it.
If torres had done that against forest, gotten away with it, and then chelsea had scored from the free kick- wed be livid.
Divers need punishing. To not do so is a failure of a refs duties
However, im going to drop this now - and agree to disagree
Last edited by incapable hulk; 29-10-12 at 08:13.
Like you say he is still the best left back in the league probably (personally i think baines is better), but for how long? At max another year?
And theyve got young players with more potential coming through like bertrand.
Theres no point offering ashley cole at his age a huge deal on lots of money as with things like ffp coming in its just not worth it for what he will offer soon.
He isnt being cut loose, and i would sooner forest let an aging player whos one of the top earners go, than give him more money when hes going to play less.
Hes not a loyal player either, well he is loyal to money i suppose.
To say you cant win this sport with young players is daft too and Alan Hansen "you wont win anything with kids"esque
Chelsea arent getting rid of thier entire squad because they are old, and replacing them with kids. They are just not willing to financially hurt themselves to keep hold of 1 or 2 players who will soon be unable to play at the same standard.
At Forest we are building a "football family" - as mint as Nottingham is as a City, it's neither the shallow highs or deep lows which London and it's celeb environment has.
Cole knows the score at Chelsea - yes players are just employees but there's some jobs which make you feel part of the organisation and valued, and there's some jobs which you readily have to accept that you're only as good as your last flash in the pan - Chelsea don't value anything.
Southern teams are all about the glitz and glam, and Chelsea probably the most of them all. Abramovich built that culture there, and whatever happens to Cole I just hope that we never adopt the same mentality as I find far more pride in my club knowing that the likes of Cohen plays superbly after they have had their contract renewed, not leading up to it's expiry.
Cole knew the score when he signed, he's just an asset, an expendable asset to a club like Chelsea and nothing more.
Last edited by Alf-Inge of Fudge; 29-10-12 at 08:12.
Spot on Alf.
Abramovich has simply bought success and offers no loyalty to his players once they achieved what he wanted - sadly in their case, buying the European Cup.
He is now ruthlessly dismantling an ageing squad (Anelka and Drogba gone) and replacing then with younger players (Hazard, Oscar et al).
Abramovich is a mercenary; but then, so is Ashley Cole.
What was it he said about Arsenal's contract offer? "are they taking the piss"?
If he doesn't get what he wants from Chelsea - and he probably won't - don't be surprised to see him scuttle off to join Ancellotti at PSG.