I'd rather be a shit manager and have a huge wang personally
Chris Powell seems to be making a name for himself though and he seems to be doing a good job. I am sure he like the white guys will progress if they are good enough. But can you explain how you see this as a race issue? Do you genuinely think the chairmen who pay millions of pounds of their own money to employ a variety of black players in their squad suddenly turn into ignorant racists when attempting to appoint a manager?
I see the Ferdinands are being critical of the PFA and FA for not doing enough to combat racism.
Nice, coming from the man who made a racist tweet to Ashley Cole only a month ago.
Is Rio Ferdinand, a man guilty of racism himself alongside a lengthy drugs ban, the man to really crusade against the PFA?
Talk to me, Goose.
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I think personally that when you're looking for a manager you look at track record, experience and success in a manager. The fact is at a high level, there are no black managers that can turn and say that they have those things... So they are naturally going to be bottom of the pile. Now that for me is a legitimate, fair and non-racist reason why black managers are almost non-existent in English Football. For example would you rather forest had employed Ince for example over O'Driscoll? I know it's one case but you go up and down most of the teams I think you could compare them to black managers and say yes I'd rather have that candidate over a black candidate.. and it would be for all the right and fair reasons.
Any method of forcing black managers into the game is going to turn the game on the other foot. At some point somewhere a white candidate in much better standing for a job is going to be turned down to let a black person in and "make things look better" now that to me is a racist way of employing someone. Like I said before given time it will come it is inevitable that it will happen with the amount of black players we now have in English Football. I think this comes more down to demographics and the history of english football rather than being an issue of racism though.
As for your second "point", of course I'm relieved that we appointed O'Driscoll rather than Ince but that's not the issue we're discussing, is it?
And finally...as for the preferred treatment stuff, I've said already in this thread that I don't believe in quotas. That being as it is, your argument about the right candidate losing out is moot; the right candidate loses out more than enough as it is. Stuart Pearce was passed over for the Forest job in favour of Joe Kinnear and Gary Megson. There are plenty of better arguments against tokenism than pity the poor white man.
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Bit of help required on Forest banter's version of this thread if you would Brolly, seeing as you manage to put arguments across much better than I ever could.
It really isn't that complex it is a simple of matter either it is racist or it isn't. The person in control of the situation i.e. the chairmen know if it is a racist situation or not you cannot be sub-conciously racist there is one of two options as far as I am concerned black managers aren't being picked because they are black then fair enough there is a race issue there, or black managers aren't being picked because the candidates out there and available are not deemed good enough.. if that is the case then where is the race issue?
I think another thing is applicants. We know of Ince and Powell at the moment who could apply or be considered for managerial posts, who else is there that is black?
The 'Rooney Rule' would be interesting, does that mean that all clubs have to consider appointing a thick scouser?
But seriously, this would be like the city council's 'positive discrimination' programme, where you couldn't apply for a position unless you were, disabled, lesbian an ethnic minority etc.
Now I can't prove that the above is the reason for this, but anyone who like me has dealings with the council, will find that there are lots of people in positions at the council, who are not capable of doing the job they are paid for. fair play to the council for giving them the opportunity, but it's bloody frustrating when it affects your work.
I see tonight, that this proposal for the 'Rooney Rule' here, would include having at least 20% of managers in the premier and football leagues to be black. This is something that should be happening naturally anyway. Anyone of my era that used to play local football will remember that the likes of Clumber K&B, Santos and WI carib's, always had all black outplayers, and a nutcase white goalie. But natural progression now see's lots of black goalkeepers.
There is without doubt an imbalance in the number of black managers, but I believe the natural talent will eventually shine through and numbers will rectify themselves.
Positive discrimination is still discrimination.
I'm in favour of PD in very exceptional circumstances as a one off, but the Rooney Rule applied now could only be poisonous.
All that happens is 1) no one has respect for the 'token' who gets the job, because no one believes they got it on merit, regardless of whether they deserved it or not. 2) Others are discriminated against, or believe that they have been discriminated against (whether they have been or not) and this breeds resentment and further problems down the line.
Ignorant & simplistic nonsense.
I'd like to know how the proposed sacking of players found guilty is going to work. If this had been in place Liverpool and Chelsea would have had to sack Suarez and Terry, and then what any other team can just sign them up?? Will they also be banned, what's to stop them going abroad?
The alternative side to stamping out racism, has been played out without the publicity banners which normally add fuel to the fire..........An Oldham player has been informed that after a police investigation into accusations that he racially abused a ball boy at Sheffield utd, the allegations were made by spectators.
The player admitted swearing at the lad when he kicked the ball away as he stooped to pick it up, always denied racial abuse.
Fans are unbelievably partisan at times, we have all seen the lynch mob men tantality.
and here we go again....incredible that we seem to take no notice of previous antics and insist on making racist remarks or actions in full view of the cameras. He will get caught and hopefully banned for a very long time.
John Terry, Mark Clattenburg, Chelsea fan...
What do they all have in common? Yarp, they white fools.
Good job the society of black lawyers are getting involved in this type of allegation, whoops I mean incident because it's racist it must have happened....soon be the most influential group in English football.
Loved the Manure banner in the week, along the lines of "Chelsea fighting racism since last Sunday"