Kick it out

[sedgred]

The huge song and dance hoo ha, about who and why the T shirt was not worn, who was in the right wrong etc etc to infringe upon human rights and freedom of speech and actions.....

Any decent balanced human being accepts that racism has no part in modern life, never mind sport, so what is the advantage of continually raising the subject, does this lead to an introduction of more diversity and a switching off to real needs of the message. Does this allow players to maybe use the campaign for political rather than sporting purposes ?

Is the procession of a class full of primary school pupils walking round the ground displaying their artwork about racism, really going to deter the neanderthal, tanked up on best bitter from venting his anger and frustration during a highly charged atmosphere at a match ?.

Whilst football on a domestic basis must always be on it's guard to ensure the educated, well balanced view remains the norm, has the game got bigger threats now to root out, the endemic cheating that now seesm to become acceptable in the game ?

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[Huxley]

All the kick it out campaign can do is raise the subject. This is deemed not enough by some and so they make this point by not wearing 'the t-shirt'. An action I feel they are fully entitled to do if they feel that way, and in fact I respect more someone not prepared to toe the line for a cause they don't believe in or feel is not working.

On the wider point, there's no reason we can't deal with the cheats, the racists, leeds fans, and everything else wrong with the game simultaneously. It's not like there isn't the means to do it. The only question is whether there is the will to do these things.

[sedgred]

All the kick it out campaign can do is raise the subject. This is deemed not enough by some and so they make this point by not wearing 'the t-shirt'.

This is the point, I have described as ''political'', do they feel that the punishment for ''racism'' must somehow be reached by a kangaroo court or lynch mob justice, as opposed to the F.A. How on earth the FA decided they were in a position to punish and find Terry guilty after the Law Courts had found him Not Guilty to me, is ripping up the law book to suit popular opinion.

I do add that I find Rio Ferdinand taking the stance after endorsing the twitter comment about Ashley Cole as a coconut somewhat brazen and double edged.

I do agree though a collective will is required to root out the ills of at least our domestic game, a will that at times seems guided by commercial needs, i.e. Wayne Rooneys appearence in the Euro's and subsequent sponsorship rather than giving the player his due punishment for the petulant kick at an opposition player.

The FA have to my mind added to the muddy waters with their behaviour in several cases.

[Northern Forester]

In my humble opinion, these campaigns are largely seen as a PR boon for most players. A few photoshoots here, a school visit there; a reciprocal opportunity to boost the image of the player and have a campaign supports by a "name."

Now - whilst that is a cynical view - I would say that such sentiment is shared by quite a few fans. The core themes of these campaigns are admirable but when it comes to football, they become arbitrary.

Of course racism has no place. Nor xenophobia, homophobia, sexism, etc.

We aren't forgetful or childish enough as a wider society to allow such sentiments to pale into triviality just because someone hasn't reminded us about them in the last five minutes.

The campaigns are important. Buy they end up repeating themselves to the people mature enough to get the message and being wasted on those who should have learned a long time ago.

[RobbieLePop]

Well fuck you very much, posters of this thread.

The white man as always trying to decide when campaigns to stop the perjury that you, white man, started and continue to this day, can end. What gives you the right to think you can decide how we undertake our quest for equality?

No, the brothers will decide when kick it out will finish, or what actions to take if we perceive the campaign to be failing in its goals of such a simple, fair demand. You, white man, will have no part in that as you, white man, have never experienced racism.

[Maverick]

You're only saying that cos you're black.

[Alf-Inge of Fudge]

How on earth the FA decided they were in a position to punish and find Terry guilty after the Law Courts had found him Not Guilty to me, is ripping up the law book to suit popular opinion.

I'd have thought that the FA are a governing body which part employs him - you could easily get in a scrap at work, have the police look into the incident, be deemed "not guilty" in a court and still be sacked for breach of company policy?

Well fuck you very much, posters of this thread.

The white man as always trying to decide when campaigns to stop the perjury that you, white man, started and continue to this day, can end. What gives you the right to think you can decide how we undertake our quest for equality?

No, the brothers will decide when kick it out will finish, or what actions to take if we perceive the campaign to be failing in its goals of such a simple, fair demand. You, white man, will have no part in that as you, white man, have never experienced racism.

Word.

[TheDude]

I don't believe in racism. I believe in bullying.

[Army]

"Just days after some footballers refused to wear shirts supporting the Kick It Out campaign, a leading human rights barrister has told BBC Radio 5 live that he is involved in talks to set up a new body which would, in effect, be a rival to the Professional Footballers Association.

Peter Herbert - chairman of the Society of Black Lawyers - says the new organisation will provide a more "radical" and "vigorous" approach to combating racism. He added that discussions are at a preliminary stage, but involve several players from different levels, including the Premier League. The new organisation has a working title of 'Black Players Association'." - FROM BBC SPORTS DAY

Whilst more needs to be done to remove racism from the game and much harsher punishments are needed - setting up a separate body specifically for black players just creates further segregation!!

[RobbieLePop]

Whilst more needs to be done to remove racism from the game and much harsher punishments are needed - setting up a separate body specifically for black players just creates further segregation!!

And maintaining the status quo results in you, the white man, infiltrating what is a just cause and pretending like there isn't a problem so you can continue your charade of false superiority over the brotherhood.

Women laugh at your inferior penises too, white man.

[Army]

And maintaining the status quo results in you, the white man, infiltrating what is a just cause and pretending like there isn't a problem so you can continue your charade of false superiority over the brotherhood.

Women laugh at your inferior penises too, white man.

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[Jimmy Floyd Stranglew@nk]

"I'm proud of how multicultural we are in this country. You go down to London, you can buy food from any different country in the entire world and it's absolutely brilliant."

- Ian Holloway, October 2012

[Conway]

And maintaining the status quo results in you, the white man, infiltrating what is a just cause and pretending like there isn't a problem so you can continue your charade of false superiority over the brotherhood.

Women laugh at your inferior penises too, white man.

Incey, is that you?

[Alex]

"Just days after some footballers refused to wear shirts supporting the Kick It Out campaign, a leading human rights barrister has told BBC Radio 5 live that he is involved in talks to set up a new body which would, in effect, be a rival to the Professional Footballers Association.

Peter Herbert - chairman of the Society of Black Lawyers - says the new organisation will provide a more "radical" and "vigorous" approach to combating racism. He added that discussions are at a preliminary stage, but involve several players from different levels, including the Premier League. The new organisation has a working title of 'Black Players Association'." - FROM BBC SPORTS DAY

I hope the t-shirt protests do force the PFA and FA to take these issues more seriously, but that's just daft (and no doubt opportunism from a blood-sucking lawyer).

[Brolin]

Not entirely sure a Black Players Association is the right way forward.

By and large, players of all ethnicities seem to support the current campaign.

I thought Suarez's punishment was about right and although Terry got off lightly in some ways, the row cost him his international career, England armband and stained his reputation forever more.

The FA is, I feel, quite good at dealing with racism. It also provided a lot of backing to Danny Rose when he was abused abroad recently, as it has done when England players have been faced with this sort of behaviour in the past.

Terry's selection in the summer was awkward, yet we do have an innocent until proven guilty mantra in this country. Seeing as how the FA case had to be put on hold until after the trial, Hodgson was entitled to select Terry, even though the idea was repugnant.

It is the FAs and in other countries that really need to look at themselves. The Serbian FA really degraded itself with ludicrous comments about Rose and they should be docked points at least.

I know it's the done thing to suggest the most punitive punishments possible for racism, but really, what more can Kick It Out and the FA do?

[OxfordshireRed]

what would opinion be if someone decided to have a white players association? Cries of racism would be out before you could spell 'supremacist'......

[OxfordshireRed]

oh, and before anyone thinks I'm racist I'm not....I personally think we should kick/sort it out together and not by forming black only groups of any kind.

[Army]

Your right people would cry racism, but i must admit i know little about the black metropolitan police, but how does this work? does it work!? But i imagine it would be the football equipment of this?!

[RobbieLePop]

what would opinion be if someone decided to have a white players association? Cries of racism would be out before you could spell 'supremacist'......

What's the point in a white man association? Since when has the white man suffered at the hands of the imperialistic overlord?

No one cries foul about the WI, yet they have a distinct membership group that doesn't involve the white man. The reason a black group, a women's group and various other non-white man groups exist is because you, white man, have caused the problems.

Unless of course white man, you think it apt that a murderer attends the funeral of his victim?

[OxfordshireRed]

What's the point in a white man association? Since when has the white man suffered at the hands of the imperialistic overlord?

No one cries foul about the WI, yet they have a distinct membership group that doesn't involve the white man. The reason a black group, a women's group and various other non-white man groups exist is because you, white man, have caused the problems.

Unless of course white man, you think it apt that a murderer attends the funeral of his victim?

Deep........too deep man.

[Army]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20048531

[Wes' Organ]

There is no need for a black footballers association or any other such bollocks to create greater divisions, racism is becoming a fucking industry in this country with far too many people having a vested interest in ensuring it either exists or is perceived to exist.

Introduce some proper penalties for anyone found guilty of racist behaviour at football, if I were to shout black **** from the stands I would rightly expect a 3 year ban and yet John Terry gets a 4 match DOMESTIC ban.

There are far too many people in football who are more concerned in their own agenda's or maintaining their positions than actually trying to achieve anything, that's you Rio and Gordon Taylor for a start.

[sedgred]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20048531

So to combat diversity, we all together......... we turn to education ?, understanding, acceptance, maybe a citizenship type approach for all new foreign signings, what is and what is not acceptable in our culture...thinking the Suareze case here.

Also regarding the offensive John Terry and his gutter language, the admitted insulting language and behaviour of Anton Ferdinand has been allowed to go unpunished, does this give a distinct advantage to a black man in the insult trading stakes, no doubt this would be part of the vigerous approach from this new group.

Still it's jobs for the boys and those in who's self interest it is to keep playing the solo black card.

[Andy!]

They should just stop being mardy.

[mouldynffc]

I am getting rather sick of this. Racism is wrong yes but we do not need a big song and dance about it.

I am going to say this racism is going to exist somewhere in all walks of life no matter how much you do, like any form of discrimination and I don't see why racism gets such a priority over any other form of discrimination that occurs. Why isn't there a campaign trying to eradicate homophobia for example? Another thing I am going to say is the amount it is discussed by far outweighs the incidents that occur. There seems to be recognition of the small amount of incidents that occur all the time with talk about them on-going for months on end. It never seems to be mentioned anywhere the progress that has been made not only in football but in society as a whole with people now being accepted regardless of race. Why can't we celebrate that? That our society as a whole has made massive strides over the past couple of decades?

Terry should never have been banned our found by guilty by the FA. to contradict a court of law is ridiculous. I think it is more a case of making a statement then seeing whether he is genuinely guilty or not. Recent David James told the papers that racism in football is not a major issue and Kick It Out are making it in an attempt to retain their jobs. Does he have a point? I certainly agree that the problem of racism in football specifically is completely and utterly exaggerated to a point where it is giving English Football a bad name for racism when we are probably one of the better and more accepting countries in the world.

The whole T-shirt thing was a farce anyway. But it does wind me up when Rio and Anton decide to make the statement "this campaign isn't working" when the campaign has probably done them a massive favour in ensuring their wish to get JT punished for something that they did not even know for sure if he had done! It is so contradictary!

I am all for a campaign or cause that is going to ensure that people have the right to do something regardless of something they cannot help such as race, sexuality or whichever factor it is. As long as it is not being abused and used for personal gain which I think particularly in the Terry case and I am sure a minority of others it is. This coverage and all the crap that comes with it is not helping that.