England U21's v Serbia-Welcome to 1976!

[george lyall]

Serbian FA deny any racist chanting....you decide:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19979603

scummy lowlifers

Do they have 'sarcastic banter' in Serbia?

[LTLF Sponsors]

[Notorious L.E.E.]

Nike should withdraw their sponsorship, but they wont, because they like dodgy people, look at Lance Armstrong!

[chriscl]

Nike should withdraw their sponsorship, but they wont, because they like dodgy people, look at Lance Armstrong!

That would be the same Lance Armstrong who's contract has been terminated by Nike today?

http://nikeinc.com/press-release/new...ance-armstrong

"You're fired" as Lord Sugar might have said to him.

[Tnewton_1988]

I'm not condoning the actions of the Serbians but i work with a guy from Lithuania who isn't racist. But back in his own country the first time he saw a black person he thought wow and that they were from a different planet so this must be the perception of people in other countries and therefore are ignorant to other races and faiths as its not the norm in their own countries to have a multi cultural society.

[Tnewton_1988]

The South African nation was hurt so much by the bans imposed because of it's aparthied policy, recent history has shown the way forward. Ban Serbia from international sports until it puts it's own house in order.

Serbia is a country that hid 1995 Balkan War Lords Ratko Mladic and Radovan Karadic and kept denying any knowledge of where they were hiding. Within Months of the EU saying you wont become an EU state until you find these two tyrants and within months they were fount with Karadic disguising himself as a Belgrade Doctor called Dragan Drabic and they were later extradited to the Hague for War crime charges.

[OxfordshireRed]

and overnight UEFA have charged both the Serbian FA and the English FA with failure to control players. Unbelievable.....have they not heard of provocation? Also, they charged the Serbian FA with 'alleged' racists chanting. What is alleged about it. Its proven the bunch of numb nuts.

Agghhhhh, I give in that justice will ever be fairly given out in fuckball.

[GOBIAS Industries]

and overnight UEFA have charged both the Serbian FA and the English FA with failure to control players. Unbelievable.....have they not heard of provocation? Also, they charged the Serbian FA with 'alleged' racists chanting. What is alleged about it. Its proven the bunch of numb nuts.

Agghhhhh, I give in that justice will ever be fairly given out in fuckball.

I suppose they have to charge both with failure to control as there was a big brawl. It will then be up to the fa to put forward evidence to show provocation.

[PynchonForest]

It's a nasty scene. I just saw the full vid,a nd I'm a little put off by Rose, to be honest. Of course, I am not condoning the chants. That's just puerile bullshit.

But though Rose is still fairly young, he is old enough to realize how his own actions can contribute to a situation. In his post match interview, he seems naive to why he was sent off (for just kicking a ball). Well, Danny, you kicked it into the crowd after the final whistle, and it's an aggressive act against a very hostile group of people. Not intelligent.

Having said that, some of the Serbs, like that one coach kicking people and whatnot, he should be given a five year global ban, at a bare minimum. That jackoff needs to be hammered.

Nice to see psycho out there, not backing down, though that may get him a sanction in itself.

As this is the third major incident in the past 6 years (2007 and 2010?) UEFA needs to grow some huge balls and use them.

[chriscl]

They won't though.

Both UEFA and FIFA don't dare upset anyone by issuing a ban. The cowards.

[Middle of No where]

They should start banning some of these countries or at least ban their fans from games. They'll end up fining them some paltry insignificant amount, they fine a Country 20 grand for racism but a individual 80 grand for sponsored pants, these people are fookin idiots.

[PynchonForest]

No kidding. Corporate sponsers far outweigh basic decent human behaviour.

Certainly have their priorities set, haven't they?

Though I can't stand Bendtner, so the fine is fine by me.

[Huxley]

They should start banning some of these countries or at least ban their fans from games. They'll end up fining them some paltry insignificant amount, they fine a Country 20 grand for racism but a individual 80 grand for sponsored pants, these people are fookin idiots.

Well Bosnia was banned by FIFA (and uefa) because of the way their FA was organised.

[Wes' Organ]

and overnight UEFA have charged both the Serbian FA and the English FA with failure to control players. Unbelievable.....have they not heard of provocation? Also, they charged the Serbian FA with 'alleged' racists chanting. What is alleged about it. Its proven the bunch of numb nuts.

Agghhhhh, I give in that justice will ever be fairly given out in fuckball.

If we gat a fine over this we should smile sweetly, very publicly make a donation for that ammount to kick it out and tell UEFA to go and fuck themselves.

[Alex]

I hate all Serbians, the racist bastards, etc, etc...

Ironic flippancy aside, would banning them and their sides from UEFA competitions really do anything to aid the cause? Wouldn't it just turn them against black people even more? It's all very well us getting on our high horse over here in the UK where all races live in perfect harmony and there are never any racial incidents in football (okay, so I wasn't done with the flippant irony) but as the thread title implies, it was only a few decades ago the same situation could have happened on our terraces and no action would have been taken. How did attitudes change in this country? It wasn't by banning clubs for racist chanting.

[chriscl]

I hate all Serbians, the racist bastards, etc, etc...

Ironic flippancy aside, would banning them and their sides from UEFA competitions really do anything to aid the cause? Wouldn't it just turn them against black people even more? It's all very well us getting on our high horse over here in the UK where all races live in perfect harmony and there are never any racial incidents in football (okay, so I wasn't done with the flippant irony) but as the thread title implies, it was only a few decades ago the same situation could have happened on our terraces and no action would have been taken. How did attitudes change in this country? It wasn't by banning clubs for racist chanting.

Good points Alex, but by the same virtue, fining the Serbian FA €25k (or whatever) isn't going to do anything.

The sanctions available to UEFA/FIFA are kind of limited to either fining the Serbs, or kicking their teams out of competitions until they learn to change the behaviour of their supporters.

Remember, UEFA banned English League Clubs from Europe in the 1980s because of the behaviour of their supporters; why not apply a similar sanction, at national level, to Serbia?

Ban them from all competition for five years - it's not like they'd be missed - or until they get their house in order.

[Wes' Organ]

I hate all Serbians, the racist bastards, etc, etc...

Ironic flippancy aside, would banning them and their sides from UEFA competitions really do anything to aid the cause? Wouldn't it just turn them against black people even more? It's all very well us getting on our high horse over here in the UK where all races live in perfect harmony and there are never any racial incidents in football (okay, so I wasn't done with the flippant irony) but as the thread title implies, it was only a few decades ago the same situation could have happened on our terraces and no action would have been taken. How did attitudes change in this country? It wasn't by banning clubs for racist chanting.

I think that the main driving force behind the changes in attitude/behaviour in this country has alot to do with exposure to people of different races. I am in my very early forties and grew up with mates from different backgrounds, but had I been a little older this wouldn't have been the case perhaps this would have coloured(no pun) my view, perhaps not I don't know.

I don't imagine that Serbia is going to have the same levels of imigrants who will give birth to back indigenous Serbians for the next generation to accept as "one of their own".

It will not be easy or even possible to change attitudes by education alone, leaving punishment as the only alternative in my opinion.

[Alex]

Good points Alex, but by the same virtue, fining the Serbian FA €25k (or whatever) isn't going to do anything.

The sanctions available to UEFA/FIFA are kind of limited to either fining the Serbs, or kicking their teams out of competitions until they learn to change the behaviour of their supporters.

Remember, UEFA banned English League Clubs from Europe in the 1980s because of the behaviour of their supporters; why not apply a similar sanction, at national level, to Serbia?

Ban them from all competition for five years - it's not like they'd be missed - or until they get their house in order.

If Serbia didn't compete at international level for five years, wouldn't that just be sweeping them under the carpet instead of proactively confronting the issue? I wouldn't be against forcing them to play a certain number of home matches behind closed doors as punishment for the fans, but banning them outright seems to be a negative reaction.

I think that the main driving force behind the changes in attitude/behaviour in this country has alot to do with exposure to people of different races. I am in my very early forties and grew up with mates from different backgrounds, but had I been a little older this wouldn't have been the case perhaps this would have coloured(no pun) my view, perhaps not I don't know.

I don't imagine that Serbia is going to have the same levels of imigrants who will give birth to back indigenous Serbians for the next generation to accept as "one of their own".

It will not be easy or even possible to change attitudes by education alone, leaving punishment as the only alternative in my opinion.

Agree, but let's not forget the lack of immigration into Serbia is exactly the reason why they have racist fans. We're fortunate in this country that the majority of us have learnt the hard way how to get along with each other. It's not as if the Serbian fans have decided to be racist, it's a whole cultural thing that existed in this country at one time or another.

Not sure I have the solution myself, best I can come up with is sending Pele over to do some diplomacy (which, to be fair, worked wonders when he came to this country). There does need to be a proactive and positive effort on behalf of the football authorities to change attitudes, not just to punish those attitudes now deemed anathema.

[PynchonForest]

Anathem is a good book. Real good, actually.

I think the 5 and 7 years England was out of Europe gave plenty of time for "reflection".

[Wes' Organ]

So you hate my Grandfather? A guy who served in the second world war and survived despite lots of bullshit, and has come over here and paid his do's without hassling anybody.

Some twats don't half generalise.

Psst, I think he was making a point about people who are against racism yet label Serbians as all racist.

[chriscl]

Where's that Whoosh smiley gone...?

[Wes' Organ]

Where's that Whoosh smiley gone...?

Fucking Winnits again.

[Conway]

Sorry, missed the 'ironic flippancy' bit, I need glasses; I'll delete it.

[StuC]

Where's that Whoosh smiley gone...?

Still here

[BuckeyeRed]

http://www.bigsoccer.com/soccer/bill...-no-to-serbia/

[Psycho's Dragon]

http://www.bigsoccer.com/soccer/bill...-no-to-serbia/

That's an intetesting read - particularily the comments where a serb apologist claims "monkey chanting" (implying it wasn't anything of the sort) hurts nobody!

You'd swear the guy was trolling but maybe not.

There's also a link to a clip of the sebian fa's conveniently edited version of proceedings!

Ban Serbia from all competitions - particularily the qualifying for the next world cup! (a 5 goal swing in goal difference couldn't hurt the Welsh cause! )