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    Default Why not this season?

    Ahh, there's no better time than just after a popular and exciting new signing to get carried away. I was just thinking, now that we've re-signed Adlene, the core of our best side from the last couple of seasons now looks like this:

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    If we assume that - for the time being - the defence is going to be made up of Moloney, possibly Elokobi, Lascelles, Freeman, and one or two other new signings, and if we also bear in mind that the squad as it stands also includes the likes of Findley, Miller, McGoldrick, Derbyshire, Greening and Anderson, then are we really that far behind in terms of assembling a squad to push for the play-offs this season? Even if we only signed a couple of defenders between now and next month to bolster the squad defensively, then it's not as if we can't put out a relatively steady and recognisable first eleven to face Barnsley on the opening day of the season.

    Of the nine names I listed in the hypothetical first eleven above, seven were part of the squad that reached the play-offs two seasons running under BD, and the other two are Reidy and Adlene! Food for thought, surely?


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    We have the core of a decent side.

    From the tail-end of last season's form after his return from injury, Dexter Blackstock can lead the line for us and score plenty of goals; our midfield can be based on a Cohen-Guedioura axis and allow the creative players (Reid et al) to do their stuff.

    We need two or three defensive signings and we are set.

    Next season I see as a building season, but we've got some decent quality in our squad and we have a manager who we know is going to play entertaining, passing football.

    Bring it on!

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    Default Re: Why not this season?

    We have no defenders, nor wingers, nor any real out and out goalscorer. We're a long way off yet and SOD needs time to make his mark and develop a long term strategy. Hoping for instant success is going to end in tears.


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    Default Re: Why not this season?

    Don't wish to sound pedantic but it's Bristol, opening day of the season and Paul Anderson is out of contract!

    Now to the important point at hand, I think we'll still be behind the likes of Wolves, Bolton and Blackburn and probably the likes of Cardiff too but there's no reason we couldn't get a play off spot, providing we get the defence sorted and get them playing some pre season friendlies together asap so they have time to gel before the season starts, we're running out of time so 4-5 more signings before the end of the week would be good!


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    Default Re: Why not this season?

    It is possible, but realistically we may need to accept this season as a building up exercise for next year.

    We still only have half a team let alone a squad and they will need time to gel and learn the new managers' ways.

    To expect everything this year maybe to heap unwanted pressure on a club that is finding it's feet after last seasons disasters.


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    Oops - yep, Bristol opening day.

    To elaborate on my opening post though, I'm not suggesting or expecting promotion will actually happen, it's more a case that I don't see any reason to rule it out just because we're currently a few players light. So much has happened lately that's positive, and we've every reason to believe (at last) that there are more good things to come for us; combine that with the fact that the season ahead is a whopping 46 games long, and I think it's reasonable to at least live in hope that we've as good a chance of making the top six as anyone else. It's cautious optimisim, but optimism all the same. And if we finish tenth then I'll be more than happy, and keeping my fingers crossed for automatic promotion the following season.


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    Default Re: Why not this season?

    No reason to rule it out, but this has that feeling of Billys first real season where you just enjoy the ride and hope things are better than the previous season.


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    Default Re: Why not this season?

    The Manager and owners need time.
    As previous posters have said, since the end of last season we have lost the right wing combination of Gunter & McCleary.
    We may not retain Anderson, and at the moment the defence is looking a bit thin.
    A couple more key signings are required.
    But, this league is a brute with so many teams having promotion ambitions...
    If we do get to the play-offs it should be seen as a real bonus than a start of season aspiration.


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    Default Re: Why not this season?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Sinister View Post
    If we do get to the play-offs it should be seen as a real bonus than a start of season aspiration.
    It should, but sadly, despite that realistic viewpoint, there are those that would consider that a failure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jerellis1 View Post
    Ahh, there's no better time than just after a popular and exciting new signing to get carried away. I was just thinking, now that we've re-signed Adlene, the core of our best side from the last couple of seasons now looks like this:

    Camp
    DEFENDERS
    Moussi
    Raddy
    Adlene
    Cohen
    Reid
    McGugan
    Blackstock
    Tudgay

    If we assume that - for the time being - the defence is going to be made up of Moloney, possibly Elokobi, Lascelles, Freeman, and one or two other new signings, and if we also bear in mind that the squad as it stands also includes the likes of Findley, Miller, McGoldrick, Derbyshire, Greening and Anderson, then are we really that far behind in terms of assembling a squad to push for the play-offs this season? Even if we only signed a couple of defenders between now and next month to bolster the squad defensively, then it's not as if we can't put out a relatively steady and recognisable first eleven to face Barnsley on the opening day of the season.

    Of the nine names I listed in the hypothetical first eleven above, seven were part of the squad that reached the play-offs two seasons running under BD, and the other two are Reidy and Adlene! Food for thought, surely?
    I don't think anything can be ruled out but I agree with the others that it will be a season of hope rather than expectation. However, the team will gel at some point and I think that from then on with the backing we have things will undoubtedly start to happen....


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    Default Re: Why not this season?

    We will probably have a better understanding in a week or two when we see the calibre of players that we are bringing into the club.

    Too early to say at the moment but there is a good starting point.


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    Default Re: Why not this season?

    Remember before the 2009/10 season? Everyone was expecting a solid mid-table finish, and we finished 3rd. Set your sights low and if we do better than expected it'll seem even sweeter. I'm expecting us to finish around 10th-9th, which I would be happy with, but you never know...


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    Default Re: Why not this season?

    I got carried away in may/june and slapped a £20 bet on to win the champ out right at 25/1. In all honesty, do not think it will happen but with a few defenders and a proven goal scorer, actually we aint got a bad side. Certainly one of the best midfields in the division if they can gel : Reid, Guedioura, Cohen, Majewski.


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    I'll be satisfied if the R word isn't used when Forest are mentioned


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    For some reason, maybe because Fawaz is a self-confessed Liverpool fan I got a gut feeling that the family wouldn´t mind building something similar to the side Keegan had in the championship. But SOD might disapprove of the 3-5-2 tactics of course


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    Default Re: Why not this season?

    Fuck liverpool. I hope he's getting Forest in his blood.

    Out of any group of fans (sheep excluded), they have been the ones who would hate us to get promoted. I was too young to remember the rivaly, was it good?


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    Default Re: Why not this season?

    I won't rule anything out, but with a lack of defenders, wingers and only one real goal-scorer (Blackstock) two weeks before the start of the season, and a new manager with a very specific philosophy, I can't see us seriously challenging for promotion this season. Top half mid table would satisfy me this season, and I expect a slow start this season.


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    Default Re: Why not this season?

    I don't think anyone is ruling promotion out, as in this league a good run of games can get almost anyone into the playoff spots. I think people are just being sensible in that we have a lot of building to do, a new manager with a new style of play to implement, new owners and the season is fast approaching.

    There's certainly no reason why we can't finish in the playoffs this year if we make good signings in the coming weeks, even if it does take us a while to find our feet. Im not expecting anything though, just glad to be shot of Cotterill, with a manager who plays football and the prospect of signing some (hopefully) decent players.


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    Default Re: Why not this season?

    I personally can see Findley being our out and out goal scorer providing he gets better service and especially those through balls that he can run onto because I cant see many people faster then him.

    And surprisingly I think he can finish, baring that horror miss against fester i think he could be our man, him and Dexter up front and the ball being played on the fall might be what our strikers need to score the goals.

    I believe in your Findley

    But then again I hoped the same for McGoldrick


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    Default Re: Why not this season?

    Remember that first season in league one under FC? We were languishing in the lower reaches of the table until Bohinen came along and that was the final part of the team jigsaw. There is no reason why we can't be pushing for a play off spot. It's about the core of the team.


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    We have no recognised defenders, this can be changed from now and the opening day and hopefully will be.
    The midfield looks half-decent but I'd love 2 more wingers.
    The forwards are pants, really not sure where the Blackstock hype comes from? Let's face it he's not that good, and.. ofcourse the rest are awful


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    Default Re: Why not this season?

    Our biggest problem (aside from not having a defence) is our forward line.

    Our best striker is Blackstock who is an excellent second striker but not an out and out goal scorer in the mould of a young Earnshaw.

    The combined wages of Miller, McGoldrick, Findlay, Tudgay and Derbyshire must be massive but they offer very little in return. We need one of them to find goalscoring form or we need to move them on. Until that happens we are going nowhere.

    We also need a fast winger. Our midfield is shaping up and will suit SOD's style well but we are short of pace and crossing ability on the right.

    If we sign 4 defenders, a fast talented right winger and a genuine goalscorer we can go up. That is a hell of a lot to ask in 25 days so I think playoffs is the best we can hope for.


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    Default Re: Why not this season?

    I'm not expecting promotion but certainly not ruling it out. In this league with so many games, it's possible to muddle along for months before hitting a bit of form and sneaking into the top six. A host of teams have a chance of getting to the playoffs.


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    Default Re: Why not this season?

    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieLePop View Post
    We have no defenders, nor wingers, nor any real out and out goalscorer. We're a long way off yet and SOD needs time to make his mark and develop a long term strategy. Hoping for instant success is going to end in tears.
    Quote Originally Posted by incapable hulk View Post
    No reason to rule it out, but this has that feeling of Billys first real season where you just enjoy the ride and hope things are better than the previous season.
    These.

    I think the key thing is that neither the players or the manager should feel pressured to push for promotion. They should just enjoy the season and concentrate on repairing/rebuilding the solid foundations which we had a few years back but which were decimated last season by 'the iconics'. If we're in with a shout then the manager needs to be backed - if not then we just enjoy the footy and, so long as we're 15th or above, give the side time to settle. (Be handy if we sort player contracts out sometime soon too, so next summer aint like this one).

    Also, this year we have Birmingham, Blackburn, Bolton, Cardiff, Hull, Leeds, Leicester and Wolverhampton all in with a shout of going up - even if we come good there may be better teams out there much like WBA & Newcastle a few years back.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jerellis1 View Post
    Ahh, there's no better time than just after a popular and exciting new signing to get carried away. I was just thinking, now that we've re-signed Adlene, the core of our best side from the last couple of seasons now looks like this:

    Camp
    DEFENDERS
    Moussi
    Raddy
    Adlene
    Cohen
    Reid
    McGugan
    Blackstock
    Tudgay

    If we assume that - for the time being - the defence is going to be made up of Moloney, possibly Elokobi, Lascelles, Freeman, and one or two other new signings, and if we also bear in mind that the squad as it stands also includes the likes of Findley, Miller, McGoldrick, Derbyshire, Greening and Anderson, then are we really that far behind in terms of assembling a squad to push for the play-offs this season? Even if we only signed a couple of defenders between now and next month to bolster the squad defensively, then it's not as if we can't put out a relatively steady and recognisable first eleven to face Barnsley on the opening day of the season.

    Of the nine names I listed in the hypothetical first eleven above, seven were part of the squad that reached the play-offs two seasons running under BD, and the other two are Reidy and Adlene! Food for thought, surely?
    And on the flip side all of them were part of a squad that weren't a million miles of being relegated last season.
    It really depends on who we sign . I know it's a statement of the obvious but we need to strengthen this squad from last season. We have lost a few and no matter what you thought of them it is piling far too much pressure to expect the largely untried players in IF you are thinking of going for promotion/play offs.
    I really hope we are not playing catch up too much this season.


 

 

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