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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    It may sound bizarre coming from a Yid but the UK actually needs a politically credible Rightist party like the French NF to shake both the Tories and Labour out of their complacency. Marine Le Pen is hopefully never going to gain power but she certainly keeps both Sarkozy's Conservatives and the Left on their toes as she can easily pull votes from both the Middle and Lower income groups.
    It sounds bizarre coming from anyone. It seems that Sarkozy's desperate lurch to the right is going to pay off but how opportunism can be mistaken for flexibility is anyone's guess.

    Also, I'd question why the UK needs a politically credible rightist party, rather than a politically credible leftist party? Your argument seems to be that good fringe parties galvanise the centrists; why is it that you crave a Fascist rather than Socialist revival?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    Galloway is one of political bottom feeders that seem to lurk around for years but never actually go away. I think Caly that all 3 parties need to take a long hard look at themselves and see how far they have distanced themselves from their core voters.
    Honestly, I think the result owes more to the All Roads Lead to Mirpur school of 'community' politics. It's patronising, racist crap which leads to a hollowed Constituency Labour Party. Galloway was kicking a rotten door off its hinges.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BrollyArdron View Post
    It sounds bizarre coming from anyone. It seems that Sarkozy's desperate lurch to the right is going to pay off but how opportunism can be mistaken for flexibility is anyone's guess.

    Also, I'd question why the UK needs a politically credible rightist party, rather than a politically credible leftist party? Your argument seems to be that good fringe parties galvanise the centrists; why is it that you crave a Fascist rather than Socialist revival?
    All politicians are opportunists and Sarko is no different. I hardly think he is lurching to the Right as you put it, he is a Centre-right President who has always punted Law & Order and laïcité. Unlike Cameron, Sarko actually takes action rather than just talks.

    I am all for having a far Leftist party as well as I have said before. To some degree that is the current problem with UK's Labour Party it is too broad a church. I also wouldn't class the French NF as Fascist either; Right wing Nationalist yes, but not Fascist.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Caly in our Alley View Post
    Honestly, I think the result owes more to the All Roads Lead to Mirpur school of 'community' politics. It's patronising, racist crap which leads to a hollowed Constituency Labour Party. Galloway was kicking a rotten door off its hinges.
    You are absolutely correct Caly.

    The problem is I am not sure if Labour actually know who their core constituent is these days? The Tories know who theirs is; it is middle Englanders who will probably still vote for the current Bullingdon thugs no matter how often they shaft them, because Labour appears to be too pro multi-culture and pro-Public Sector.

    That is why I say a Rightist Party like the French NF would shake things up. BrollyArdon makes a good point about a Far Left Party, but they would only impact on Labour whereas a Rightist Party would rattle both Tories and Labour.


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    I thought Galloway had made such an ass of himself, we'd never see him again. Not that he'd end up with a 10,000 majority in a by-election. Of course the main issues in Bradford West currently aren't unemployment or the health service, no everyone is actually concerned there about a free Palestine and supporting Al Quaeda.


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    So the antagonistic words from the Government was a deliberate attempt to cause a UNITE led strike that would divide Labour and cause political pain to them according to the Telegraph.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...-anything.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreNottingham View Post
    You need another edit

    http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/25734/


    Good lord these tossers are incompetent, only got another 3 years of this if we're lucky. If Osbourne actually goes ahead and sells RBS at 25p per share of the 50p we bought it for in a vein attempt to look like matching his ludicrous deficit target someone needs to give the smarmy git a good old slap.
    Fixed that for you :hopeful smile:


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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreNottingham View Post
    So the antagonistic words from the Government was a deliberate attempt to cause a UNITE lead strike that would divide Labour an cause political pain to them according to the Telegraph.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...-anything.html
    What an excellent piece.....many thanks WAN.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    What an excellent piece.....many thanks WAN.
    This story only seems to be getting side traction from all media outlets, why isn't this a bigger story? I haven't seen it on the news at all. Our Government deliberately encouraged panic buying for political gain. Also what's happened to the NHS? Our media is pathetic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreNottingham View Post
    This story only seems to be getting side traction from all media outlets, why isn't this a bigger story? I haven't seen it on the news at all. Our Government deliberately encouraged panic buying for political gain. Also what's happened to the NHS? Our media is pathetic.
    Interesting that the traditionally Tory aligned papers are hammering Cameron & Osborne at the moment though. I suspect that there is not quite enough meat on this Telegraph story to generate more enthusiasm, but there may be more to come as the days progress.
    What is needed is a David Davis or David Milliband to seriously break ranks and stage a palace coup , though I can't see the latter shafting his bro.


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    I voted tory for low taxes

    Im getting the opposite, WEAK government!...


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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin
    I voted tory for low taxes

    Im getting the opposite, WEAK government!...
    Good.


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    Weak government is good? High taxes are good?


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    If it pisses you off it is a small price to pay.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin
    Weak government is good? High taxes are good?
    You get what you ask for


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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    Interesting that the traditionally Tory aligned papers are hammering Cameron & Osborne at the moment though. I suspect that there is not quite enough meat on this Telegraph story to generate more enthusiasm, but there may be more to come as the days progress.
    What is needed is a David Davis or David Milliband to seriously break ranks and stage a palace coup , though I can't see the latter shafting his bro.
    I not so sure a Labour split would be good tbh, one of the important reasons for Tory support leaching away form their party is because there have the appearance of being fractured - One of the few plus points of Ed is that he hasn't avoided the split that every major newspaper predicted following his victory.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Winnits View Post
    You get what you pay £250k for
    Fixed that for you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winnits View Post
    You get what you ask for
    True I suppose,

    No wonder people get disillusioned with politics.

    These lot are just like new Labour. Not tough enough....


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    How have they not been tough enough? Seems like an odd criticism.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreNottingham View Post
    I not so sure a Labour split would be good tbh, one of the important reasons for Tory support leaching away form their party is because there have the appearance of being fractured - One of the few plus points of Ed is that he hasn't avoided the split that every major newspaper predicted following his victory.
    If you step back from personal political preferences and look at it from the outside; in order for either party to obtain a victory with a working majority they must attract the vote of the middle income earners. Like them or hate them both Thatcher and Blair did this by judging the "middle income mood" well.

    Ed has not stuck his head above the parapet sufficiently yet to cause a schism in Labour but he can't avoid this forever and while he is seen as a bedfellow of McCluskey/Prentis et al he harms his chances of getting the middle income vote.

    If the Tories were less arrogant they should sideline Cameron and get David Davis back. For Labour it is harder because David Milliband is the only real contender at the moment. This is why I say a Marine Le Pen figure looming large on the Right would force some serious soul searching in the Lib/Lab/Con.


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    18,000+ idiots voted for george galloway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Juif Rouge View Post
    If you step back from personal political preferences and look at it from the outside; in order for either party to obtain a victory with a working majority they must attract the vote of the middle income earners. Like them or hate them both Thatcher and Blair did this by judging the "middle income mood" well.

    Ed has not stuck his head above the parapet sufficiently yet to cause a schism in Labour but he can't avoid this forever and while he is seen as a bedfellow of McCluskey/Prentis et al he harms his chances of getting the middle income vote.

    If the Tories were less arrogant they should sideline Cameron and get David Davis back. For Labour it is harder because David Milliband is the only real contender at the moment. This is why I say a Marine Le Pen figure looming large on the Right would force some serious soul searching in the Lib/Lab/Con.
    I'm still wary of a coup, fracturing the party could do damage for years to come. I think what you are suggesting could still be achieved without a change in leadership, DM needs to start playing a more prominent role within the party I agree. I suspect he will be in a high position within the shadow cabinet by 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreNottingham View Post
    I'm still wary of a coup, fracturing the party could do damage for years to come. I think what you are suggesting could still be achieved without a change in leadership, DM needs to start playing a more prominent role within the party I agree. I suspect he will be in a high position within the shadow cabinet by 2015.
    Hell hath no fury like a Jewboy scorned! Hahahahahaha


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    LJR




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    What did I say? Ed is now trying to court the Daily Mail readership of Middle England. Hahahhahahaha


 

 

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