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    NOTTINGHAM Forest must make developing their own talent their biggest priority in the future, said chairman Frank Clark today.

    The Reds' tradition of developing young prospects has stalled in recent years, with Lewis McGugan the last to make the step up from the academy to become a first-team regular.

    In the past the likes of Andy Reid, Michael Dawson, Wes Morgan, James Perch, David Prutton and Jermaine Jenas had all come through the ranks at the City Ground.

    With the arrival of financial fair play – and the scaling down of the backing of owner Nigel Doughty – Forest are facing a more frugal future.

    And Clark says Forest will have to focus more sharply on developing players of their own again in the future.

    "Hopefully we can push two or three young players through from the academy in the near future," said Clark.

    "From now on, we will have a smaller squad, with more young players in it.

    "But that is going to be the future of the club, really. We have to bring our own players through the ranks."

    Despite the scaling down of Doughty's investment, the former chairman is willing to sanction a significant, continued spend on the club's youth set-up.

    In recent years, the only Forest player to make the step up into the first-team after coming through the ranks has been McGugan.

    But Forest are hopeful that the likes of Patrick Bamford, Jamaal Lascelles and Kieron Freeman can follow in his footsteps by making their breakthrough.

    "The academy is included in the figures, in the budget for the next two-and-a-half years," said Clark.

    "That system changes as well, next year, with the EPPP (Elite Player Performance Plan) – and there are more acronyms in football these days than ever before.

    "When that comes in, we will have to look at where we are as well. We want to be going for a category two rating there, if we can, because that will put us in a strong position.

    "Apart from very, very wealthy clubs, I don't think anyone will get grade one.

    "We are hoping to get category two. We are working towards that and we will need to strengthen the academy slightly to make sure we do that. That is going to be the future of the club,."

    Clark admits the challenge of being Forest chairman has been a tougher test than he envisaged.

    "It has been quite difficult, mainly because we are in a very tight financial straitjacket and the manager is very ambitious," said Clark.

    "He wants to build Rome in a day, which is one of the reasons we brought him here. But we are having to manage his expectations at the minute.

    "Everyone at the club wants to do everything we can to help the manager and the team. But financially, things are very tight.

    "He has come into a tough job, but he knew he was coming into a difficult scenario. He was made aware of the financial situation."




    For me, this is most positive and reassuring article I've read in months.

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    Default Re: Clarik: Youth is the Future

    Obviously, the title should read "Clark". Mods, feel free to edit.


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    Default Re: Clark: Youth is the Future

    Something that I think we all knew, but I found it encouraging to read it anyway.

    "Despite the scaling down of Doughty's investment, the former chairman is willing to sanction a significant, continued spend on the club's youth set-up."

    That's interesting, and should give our already top acacemy a decent rating when the new rules come in. I'm relatively sure that spending money on things such as your academy and stadia don't count either.

    Now give the kids a chance!


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    if you think about the number of youth that must go through the system, then even the names mentioned above seem a paltry return? How do the likes of Crewe manage to churn out good players in the numbers whereas we have named 5 or 6 players above over a 10 to 15 year period. Other than McGugan, we've really not had any good player emerge and take his place in the 1st team recently but we do seem to have let several go (Wright-Philips for example). And lets face it, McGugan, whilst a decent player, ain't no top drawer Premier standard player is he?

    What do folks feel needs to change from what we are doing today to get more of an output?


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    Are you sure he hadn't just got his guitar out and was singing a bit of "I believe that children are our future..."


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    Default Re: Clark: Youth is the Future

    Develop young players for Doughty to sell them again?

    The endless cycle continues.

    Stop the bus, I want to get off please.


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    Nigel Doughty probably sees the Academy as his last real chance of securing a positive legacy from his time here.

    And, in light of the new FFP rules, in time, his significant investment in youth may pay dividends for the club.

    The article is a clear message to the fans (and the manager) that ND will spend his money where he wants to and there won't be any more coming to help out the first team anytime soon.

    Cotterill knew this when appointed but, with his reputation now hanging on every defeat or game in which we fail to score, I'm sure he will be making the case for financial support now.

    I won't be surprised to see the all too familiar, but unwelcome, headlines about the manager and owner being at loggerheads in the near future.

    Lets hope we can avoid it by getting a couple of good results over Christmas (just a goal would be nice!).


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    Quote Originally Posted by gedlingred View Post
    Nigel Doughty probably sees the Academy as his last real chance of getting any of his money back.
    Just thought I'd correct that for you.

    Am I the only one getting fed up of reading articles stating we are gonna give youth a chance and we never actually do?


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    Default Re: Clark: Youth is the Future

    Basically a long winded way of Frank saying 'We have no transfer money.'


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    Any chance we could get Steve and Frank to do a duet of Whitney houstons "Greatest Love of All"?


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    Default Re: Clark: Youth is the Future

    I think our main priority at the minute should be staying in the NPC


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    I'd be happy watching a Forest team containing several of our own Academy graduates, however the club have to make sure we are still - at least - in the Championship, otherwise financially there's no way the academy can attain Grade 2 status.

    Trying to produce our own young players and giving them a chance maybe at reserve level is a good idea.

    I do wonder if the scrapping of the reserve team some seasons ago (albeit it has been restored now) hasn't come back to bite us a bit!

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    Default Re: Clark: Youth is the Future

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoax View Post
    I think our main priority at the minute should be staying in the NPC
    Absolutely. I can't see any young players getting a chance while we're marooned in the bottom three and it just serves as a wind up knowing that all these millions are going on players that we're never likely to see. We should be looking to bring young players through but while the first team is a shambles it's never going to happen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tutts View Post
    Basically a long winded way of Frank saying 'We have no transfer money.'
    sounds about right Tutts


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    Now watch us flog Jamaal Lascelles to Arsenal before he's kicked a ball for the first team!


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    just thinking.......Jamaal to Arsenal for £3M, the money goes straight to Donny in exchange for Billy Sharpshooter?

    Flaw in this plan is getting that much upfront from the Arse.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by OxfordshireRed View Post
    just thinking.......Jamaal to Arsenal for £3M, the money goes straight to Donny in exchange for Billy Sharpshooter?

    Flaw in this plan is getting that much upfront from the Arse.....
    You wouldn't necessarily need it all upfront as long as Doncaster's payment terms were acceptable.

    As long as we got the whole amount without the inclusion of numerous "if and when" clauses though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OxfordshireRed View Post
    just thinking.......Jamaal to Arsenal for £3M, the money goes straight to Donny in exchange for Billy Sharpshooter?

    Flaw in this plan is getting that much upfront from the Arse.....
    there's a flaw in this plan. Whilst I don't know the relative salaries of these players, I'd hazard a guess that Sharp's salary far exceed that of Lascelles. This is based on the fact that Sharp has now played permanently for three different clubs (plus two spells at Sheffield United) and his agent would have negotiated what would likely be a decent rise each time he's moved, wheras Lascelles is probably on a pretty standard 'youth-teamer' rate.

    Therefore, moving Lascelles on, would not free up enough 'wiggle-room' in the salary budget, to pay for Sharp's salary.


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    Quote Originally Posted by congo_red View Post
    there's a flaw in this plan. Whilst I don't know the relative salaries of these players, I'd hazard a guess that Sharp's salary far exceed that of Lascelles. This is based on the fact that Sharp has now played permanently for three different clubs (plus two spells at Sheffield United) and his agent would have negotiated what would likely be a decent rise each time he's moved, wheras Lascelles is probably on a pretty standard 'youth-teamer' rate.

    Therefore, moving Lascelles on, would not free up enough 'wiggle-room' in the salary budget, to pay for Sharp's salary.
    BUT....say we pay Donny £3M And we give them, gratis, Happy Christmas, David McGoldrick. A combination of his wages and those few pennies Jamaal gets will be enought to pay our Billy?


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    Quote Originally Posted by OxfordshireRed View Post
    BUT....say we pay Donny £3M And we give them, gratis, Happy Christmas, David McGoldrick. A combination of his wages and those few pennies Jamaal gets will be enought to pay our Billy?
    Wouldn't giving them McGoldrick actually devalue the offer?


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    Default Re: Clark: Youth is the Future

    Unless we get the TOP academy status will our best players not get cherry picked by the big clubs for a pittance ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgford Ady View Post
    Unless we get the TOP academy status will our best players not get cherry picked by the big clubs for a pittance ?
    It's always possible, just as it is now.

    It would be implicit on the club to convince the young player that their future lay here, in Forest's first team and not in Chelsea/Arsenal/Man United/Man City/Liverpoo/Spurs Reserves!


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    Quote Originally Posted by chriscl View Post
    It's always possible, just as it is now.

    It would be implicit on the club to convince the young player that their future lay here, in Forest's first team and not in Chelsea/Arsenal/Man United/Man City/Liverpoo/Spurs Reserves!
    This is something Andy Reid could be good at.


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    Default Re: Clark: Youth is the Future

    Bamford Blackstock

    McCleary McGugan Raddy Anderson

    Freeman Lascelles Lynch Gunter

    Darlow

    There you go, a cheap but competitive League 1 team I think.. lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by OxfordshireRed View Post
    How do the likes of Crewe manage to churn out good players in the numbers whereas we have named 5 or 6 players above over a 10 to 15 year period.
    Surely that reflects the level at which Crewe play their football? I'd guess that there are quite a few of our failed youth players who could have done a job for Crewe. I'll offer Westcarr and Sinclair as two straight off the top of my head - there will be plenty more too I'm sure.

    That said Crewe are an exception to the rule. Not quite sure what it is they do differently but their academy certainly punches above its weight.


 

 

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