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    It could well be alot more, I just think that with no prospects of funds being available due to FFP and debts, it's going to be alot of huffing and puffing but no real chance of visiting the Anfields Old Traffords etc for a hell of a long time.

    Not being knee jerking after todays loss, it's the being honest and realistic that's my only crime.

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    I've been resigned to that for some time, accept it and embrace it and life don't seem so bad


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    Interesting you post this after we lose 0-3 but I thin we all knew this was the case after Doughty left. Unless we get investors thats probably going to be the case


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    Quote Originally Posted by Winnits View Post
    I've been resigned to that for some time, accept it and embrace it and life don't seem so bad
    And me mate, just like to get a bit of buzz in me now and again.

    Thanks, you're bang on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymondo Ponte'
    It could well be alot more, I just think that with no prospects of funds being available due to FFP and debts, it's going to be alot of huffing and puffing but no real chance of visiting the Anfields Old Traffords etc for a hell of a long time.

    Not being knee jerking after todays loss, it's the being honest and realistic that's my only crime.
    We haven't visited the Old Traffords & Anfields in the same league for 12 years, for many young forest fans this isn't a descent into mediocrity, this is as good as it gets!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymondo Ponte' View Post
    It could well be alot more, I just think that with no prospects of funds being available due to FFP and debts, it's going to be alot of huffing and puffing but no real chance of visiting the Anfields Old Traffords etc for a hell of a long time.

    Not being knee jerking after todays loss, it's the being honest and realistic that's my only crime.
    Whats another decade?

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    think you're probably right - we missed our chances in the last 2 years, and it looks a very long road back with ffp coming in.

    We have to bring our young players like Freeman, Lascelles, and Bamford through sooner rather than later and get used to a new dawn


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    Quote Originally Posted by Col View Post
    We haven't visited the Old Traffords & Anfields in the same league for 12 years, for many young forest fans this isn't a descent into mediocrity, this is as good as it gets!
    True.


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    When Forest were relegated from the Prem, I told my youngsters don't worry, you will jump, just as high from your seat when Forest score next season in the division below, It is all about supporting and being part of the local club.

    To be honest, the fact remained that even in Div 3, (the nightmare), I jumped out of my seat when Forest scored, underlined this point. Yes it would be wonderful to compete against the top sides again, be part of the media circus that surrounds the Prem League, against Manure etc, but next home game and Forest win, as you celebrate a goal, could you enjoy that feeling more in another division ?......Nah because it's Forest scoring and thats why we go !, To watch Forest !.


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    Quote Originally Posted by incapable hulk View Post
    Whats another decade?
    True, it's nothing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sedgred View Post
    When Forest were relegated from the Prem, I told my youngsters don't worry, you will jump, just as high from your seat when Forest score next season in the division below, It is all about supporting and being part of the local club.

    To be honest, the fact remained that even in Div 3, (the nightmare), I jumped out of my seat when Forest scored, underlined this point. Yes it would be wonderful to compete against the top sides again, be part of the media circus that surrounds the Prem League, against Manure etc, but next home game and Forest win, as you celebrate a goal, could you enjoy that feeling more in another division ?......Nah because it's Forest scoring and thats why we go !, To watch Forest !.
    Great post, brings it all home.

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    Ah, what the hell.

    There's still Forest to watch every week, and the Championship is a really competitive league to watch, unlike the Premiership which is only ever going to be won by one of three or four teams (if that).

    A few beers, some decent company, and cheering on the reds - whatever division we are in. The perfect recipe for a Saturday (or Tuesday) entertainment.

    I'd love to see us in the top division again, and playing in Europe once more.

    But it doesn't look likely, as maybe we've missed our chance now. But who knows what the future will bring!

    I started supporting Forest because they were my local team.

    And then we went and won the league, and two European Cups.

    Come on you Reds!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sedgred View Post
    When Forest were relegated from the Prem, I told my youngsters don't worry, you will jump, just as high from your seat when Forest score next season in the division below, It is all about supporting and being part of the local club.

    To be honest, the fact remained that even in Div 3, (the nightmare), I jumped out of my seat when Forest scored, underlined this point. Yes it would be wonderful to compete against the top sides again, be part of the media circus that surrounds the Prem League, against Manure etc, but next home game and Forest win, as you celebrate a goal, could you enjoy that feeling more in another division ?......Nah because it's Forest scoring and thats why we go !, To watch Forest !.
    you're not saying you'd be happy to be relegated back to the third tier again are you??


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    How would you think that from Sedge's post?!


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    Possibly longer. Without investment/takeover I can't see us back in the prem ever.

    Certainly we will need to wait for the next generation of football to happen before anything changes.

    Last edited by Collymore!; 05-11-11 at 23:05.

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    Sorry guys and gals but there's no way I can accept mediocrity as the standard, can you even imagine suggesting such a thing to Sir Clough His principles and beliefs are the ones we have been raised on and although a million things have changed since those bygone days the core element of football, nay life, remains the same - do the right things and you will reach the top.

    Doughty is quite possibly the world's biggest faliure, only a dick such as him wouldn't back a manager (with loans) who's won 3 out of 5 games with the current squad. Just because this rich fool has turned our club into a lower league outfit with constantly bad decision after bad decision doesn't mean we should accept this as the norm.

    Clarke and Cotterill are restoring order and balance to the team, if Cotterill can actualy bring in a few members of staff, and maybe even the odd player, then things will not only move forward but move forward quickly. But he needs time, christ he's barely had a pre-season's worth of games with the players yet.

    FFP will make us weaker in the short term, stronger in the long term. This could all be fast-forwarded this season if Doughty had the nouse to back Cotterill with loans (no FFP issues there right?) to try and get us promoted and recoup some of his money but alas he won't because he could make a right decision if he tried.

    Essentially we are where we were under Billy in his 1st season with us, yes with less backing from the owner, but also less fucking interferance as well. What's more important is that I am starting to feel pride in the club again, we can be in whatever league so long as we show for the shirt and put passion into the Garibaldi.

    Last edited by Doughty's Love Child; 05-11-11 at 23:12.

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    Do you seriously believe in this world that those at the top are there for doing the right thing? (In football or in the wider world?).

    Gosh.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Winnits View Post
    Do you seriously believe in this world that those at the top are there for doing the right thing? (In football or in the wider world?).

    Gosh.
    You might have misunderstood me mate - do the right things (ie keep it simple, play football on the ground and put the ball in the back of the net) and you will get to the top (ie top of the league).

    Right things on the pitch and their surroundings

    McClaren = overcomplex BS and wrong things

    Cotterill = Simple, commited approach & right things.


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    Ah, gotcha.

    I still think that's a bit naïve to be honest, although of course there is always room for improvement on the pitch, with the imbalance in the game (and the new rules enabling top clubs to pinch young talent for f--k all adding to that) once you're established amongst the 'have nots' (which we are more than established) you end up with a bit of a problem on the ascending front.

    With hindsight your observations about Nigel D's failure to perhaps put in a relatively modest (compared to cumulatively what was to come) investment at the key time are spot on, but hindsight is a marvellous tool to state things with certainty.

    I dunno, football is like life - we all have dreams of riches and splendour, of huge achievements, of rising to the top - unfortunately there isn't room at the top for everyone and as you get older you come to accept that you're more than likely going to prove to be pretty average when it comes down to it - and football is kinda the same. For me, at least.


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    not being funny but can I just point out once again.

    that new investors wont help as you can only spend what you earn under FFP and they are already looking at closing the sponsorship loopholes mancity have used


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    There'll always be loopholes. Failing that there'll always be people who just brazenly ignore the rules (just like Cardiff did, like Leicester did - like Leeds appear to still be doing) and the authorities will basically do nothing about it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Doughty's Love Child View Post
    You might have misunderstood me mate - do the right things (ie keep it simple, play football on the ground and put the ball in the back of the net) and you will get to the top (ie top of the league).

    Right things on the pitch and their surroundings

    McClaren = overcomplex BS and wrong things

    Cotterill = Simple, commited approach & right things.
    Trouble is, the other team and Manager have the same goals in mind..........


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    Quote Originally Posted by chriscl View Post
    Ah, what the hell.

    There's still Forest to watch every week, and the Championship is a really competitive league to watch, unlike the Premiership which is only ever going to be won by one of three or four teams (if that).

    A few beers, some decent company, and cheering on the reds - whatever division we are in. The perfect recipe for a Saturday (or Tuesday) entertainment.

    I'd love to see us in the top division again, and playing in Europe once more.

    But it doesn't look likely, as maybe we've missed our chance now. But who knows what the future will bring!

    I started supporting Forest because they were my local team.

    And then we went and won the league, and two European Cups.

    Come on you Reds!!
    This post and Sedge,brilliant!

    First season I really passionately followed Forest was Billy's first full one in charge. At the end of that season,I was devastated when we didn't go up

    But,while I'd still like to see us go up,realistically I'd be just as happy if we beat Barnsley than I would if we beat Man Utd,which would be a rare occurence in any case

    I'm here to support Forest,regardless of division


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    Its not just affecting Nottingham Forest this FFP it includes everyone and they have to come up with certain ways like ourselves to increase revenue,every team are in the same boat as us next season and beyond.


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    But most have arguably more balanced squads suited to our level in the pyramid on lower wages.. so revenue growth and/or wage slashing isn't quite so pertinent to them.


 

 

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