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Re: The demise of Derby
The deal was ongoing during the takeover so any fee would have been taken into account by both parties I'm sure, but equally the new owners knew what was required player wise, so it's all a bit irrelevant really.Originally Posted by Friendly Sheep
We lost several players on free contracts during the summer as we didn't have a budget to offer contracts.
We have a net spend of around £1-1.5 million this summer I reckon excluding salaries, so nothing ridiculous and most of the signings will have a good future value.
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This might be the end of our years of finishing higher than Forest?
Saying that, Doughty spent fortunes and all he got for it was grief.
Years? Last year... The year before that we finished above them
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And the year before that.
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Aye, I know - but just one break in their 'year' of finishing above us makes the years invalid
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Still a very shite defence. Why they haven't strengthened in that area today has bemused me.
Obviously SOD has seen something in Halford, Maloney and co that we all haven't.
Wage bill that meant the club lost £11m a year last season.
Wonder how much they will lose this year?
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Loan window is still open, so there is time to improve if SOD wants too.
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Hopefully less than 10 games, but that might be a bit optimistic.Still a very shite defence. Why they haven't strengthened in that area today has bemused me.
Obviously SOD has seen something in Halford, Maloney and co that we all haven't.
Wage bill that meant the club lost £11m a year last season.
Wonder how much they will lose this year?
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@DerbyDave1980
Forest fans gettin all excited about some fat lad from Sheffield.... Wow would much prefer Sammon. #FeedTheFish
Don't b jealous of our superior fans than urs. Proper footballing city!!!
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Was just about to post this! There's optimism and then there's delusion.
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Forest are a much bigger pull than we are. We are still the laughing stock of the football world as our hangover from the premiership debarkle still remains.
They have more money, a bigger city, a better squad and there are few bigger sleeping giants than Forest.
I hate to admit it but I can only see good things ahead for them after many difficult years and putting rivalry aside, their fans deserve a little success.
Finally a Derby fan that talks sense
Seriously? Theyd rather have a striker that doesnt score goals over 2 that do? Riiiiiight
"I've been blessed with many things in this life: an arm like a damn rocket, a c**k like a burmese python, and the mind of a f**king scientist" - Kenny Powers
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Sounds like I am supporting Clough over SOD here, but the squads they inherited are so different in so many ways, but SOD really had the easier task of two.
Clough as stated neede to prune his squad and reduce a massive wage bill, thus he has worked towards balancing the books at the sheep pen, whilst they remain in the Championship.
SOD arrived at Forest inherited a thread bare squad, importantly he knew what remained of the squad, I think it is fair to say that SOD knows what he wants from footballers, so he was able to hit the ground running, weed out those who he felt have no no long term future at the club, bring in players to suit the syle of play he wants......In a nut shell, he has not to pop the square blocks in the proverbial round holes.
SOD has done this in a magnificent fashion, beyond the dreams of the majority of supporters, alleluia.
Added to this is the financial support of the new owners, SOD's quiet style of strengthening the squad and Forest fans at the moment walking on air.......So which manager now has to do his job with the greater burden of expectation on his shoulders ?
I think they both have an equal burden to share, but for soapy different reasons.
The right minded Derby fans will appreciate the signings we have made and the position we will be pushing, like for the same in Forest fans, Clough is pushing for mid table/lower. I'd table, which in essence is a success in itself.
Still doesn't detract him from being a cock and acting in such manner, but hey ho.
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Cracking post
As a fan I am expecting another season of mid table with the odd flirt with the top 6/8.
If I was a fan of your lot, and looking at some of the players you've signed, I would be expecting top 6. I know you needed the players but some of the players you've signed are top drawer, Cox / Sharp in particular. It makes me wonder if the Kuwaitis have now decided that they're going to have a pop at it in their first season, despite their repeated claims stating they're not expecting it.
It's going to be very interesting for both of us for very different reasons.
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Thank you, like so many of us must have, we have mixed race marriages in our family. Alright my wife say's it is petty and small minded to make them sit outside in the rain at family functions, but lets face it once a sheep, like once a red there is no changing, so they must be treated accordingly.
I cherish the intense rivalry between the clubs, froth at the mouth, full of bile and hatred when we play you, but as ever, home and away the sheep are the first fixtures you look for when they are released. Would not ever want to be without our woolly rivals, adds to life's rich tapestry.
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nigel has done well trimming the wage bill down etc but that doesnt make him a good football coach
any decent businessman could just do that
he is a woeful football manager, who has no respect from his players he continually falls out with.....
derby fans have this wonderful dream that he is like is dad and will lead them to glory.
its just not going to happen
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£2.3-2.6m for Gunther, we also offloaded a fullback called Freeman for a few quid to some suckers
Seriously though, I don't see how where that money went has any relevance as to what the manager has had to work with?It's still money in and out of the club, where ever it gets filtered to after that is irrelevant.
And Clough's only "had" to sell and replace players because of his faliure to manage them in the dressing room, SOD's inherited a squad without 1 senior player in defence - that's when you really do have to spend, not when you've had 3 years to assemble a team but haven't got the man management skills to keep them from falling out.
Like I've said, I don't think Clough is a bad manager - I just think he's not great at man-management and expects more respect from players than he's actually earnt. Only speculating, but his dad had a big personality and presence - I think Clough expects the same amount of respect, dedication and commitment that his dad got for himself, but he hasn't the personality or attitude to enforce that.
So, wouldn't you expect that the teams needs time to gel? You only have to look at how much Man City spent to start with and realize that it takes time for all the ingrediants to mix right.Cracking post
As a fan I am expecting another season of mid table with the odd flirt with the top 6/8.
If I was a fan of your lot, and looking at some of the players you've signed, I would be expecting top 6. I know you needed the players but some of the players you've signed are top drawer, Cox / Sharp in particular. It makes me wonder if the Kuwaitis have now decided that they're going to have a pop at it in their first season, despite their repeated claims stating they're not expecting it.
It's going to be very interesting for both of us for very different reasons.
Last edited by Alf-Inge of Fudge; 01-09-12 at 09:55.
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Cracking post
As a fan I am expecting another season of mid table with the odd flirt with the top 6/8.
If I was a fan of your lot, and looking at some of the players you've signed, I would be expecting top 6. I know you needed the players but some of the players you've signed are top drawer, Cox / Sharp in particular. It makes me wonder if the Kuwaitis have now decided that they're going to have a pop at it in their first season, despite their repeated claims stating they're not expecting it.
It's going to be very interesting for both of us for very different reasons.
I always think playing it down is the sensible approach. However we all know that if a team clicks in to place you can get a good run going and get a team promoted with worse players at your disposal than we have. So it is only natural Forest fans will start to dream now.
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Actions speak louder than words, and the Kuwaitis' actions are not those of owners expecting promotion in four years.Cracking post
As a fan I am expecting another season of mid table with the odd flirt with the top 6/8.
If I was a fan of your lot, and looking at some of the players you've signed, I would be expecting top 6. I know you needed the players but some of the players you've signed are top drawer, Cox / Sharp in particular. It makes me wonder if the Kuwaitis have now decided that they're going to have a pop at it in their first season, despite their repeated claims stating they're not expecting it.
It's going to be very interesting for both of us for very different reasons.
As for your lot, imho the team's performance last season was based largely on the solid defence of Barker, Shackell and Fielding. Much will depend on how Keogh settles in, and whether Sammon can provide the threat in attack, but I can't see beyond another mid-table finish.
It only Nigel had remained that polite young nice guy he once was. Really should have stopped at Burton.
Sedge, clough needed to get the wage bill down 4 years ago. Hes had alot of time to get the wage bill down and build the side back up instead. hes built a weak side with mediocre players.
Hes had resources that most managers/teams havent at this level and done worse.
He goes through players at some crazy rate, bringing them in and then getting rid of them at speed.
Its crazy
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Agreed. The wage cutting was a few years ago now. The squad is now his players. Whilst it's true that their owners won't spend above income (American owners), meaning they will struggle to challenge for the top six, he has still had decent resources for this division.
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