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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ed/7615618.stm

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    How do you think the Newcastle fans will be feeling? I would be guilty, but others may be relieved? Extraordinary.

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    i think the geordies will be happy - they got what they wanted. not sure whos gonna buy the club though,, its hardly a club going places. it would be funny if they got relegated though, it would certainly show them how important ashleys money was. at least they would have no one to blame but themselves


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    Fans wanted Ashely gone, He had no other option unless he brought Keegan back- but not sure if Keegan would agree to comeback. he would want afew changes first.


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    the club is a pile of pants and how boring is this getting the fans still think there a good club when did they last win something, who is worried about playing newcastle even at newcastle. I really dont get it!!a club who aint won a sausage for years they hada couple good seasons under keegan does it really matter people are more interested to see if luton will stay up in league 2 !!! newcastle rubbish!!!


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    Reading that, you have to feel a little for Ashley. As much as I've vilified him for being a 'fan', he seems really upset that this has gone tits up. The end bit especially is quite sad!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thompson
    the club is a pile of pants and how boring is this getting the fans still think there a good club when did they last win something, who is worried about playing newcastle even at newcastle. I really dont get it!!a club who aint won a sausage for years they hada couple good seasons under keegan does it really matter people are more interested to see if luton will stay up in league 2 !!! newcastle rubbish!!!
    shit club - many fans

    every year some kind of disaster, what a load of jokers.

    immense wage bill.

    and of course THE MAGIAL MICHAEL OWEN!!

    what a club, would rather support egg chasing than newcastle.


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    I feel really sorry for Ashley, he has pumped more money into that club than any Foreign investor has into their respective clubs.

    The Newcastle fans are like an old lady with a Virginia Ham under one arm, crying because she has no bread.

    None of them seemed to grasp the severity of the debt there, and assumed it would just go away. I don't think they realise just how much Ashley has done for the club.

    I've always had a soft spot for Newcastle, and have always wanted them to do well, but I think the supporters are being very very blind at the moment.

    Their situation won't improve with a new owner, it will get worse.

    They have/had a Golden Goose: a die hard fan who happens to be a billionaire.

    That's what EVERY club wants. We have a microcosm of that.

    They seem to be blown away by stories of Chelsea and Man city attracting foreign investment, without realising that investment comes at a price.

    For Ashley, that price was being the head honcho at his favourite club. Nobody is yet aware of the price of Foreign investment.

    I would love it if Ashley was a Forest fan. Can you imagine if someone had pumped £250m into Forest? That'd be great. It seems, though, that the Geordies don't see this as enough.

    I can't think of any other owners who have given so much to the club.

    Chelsea are being mortgaged to the hilt by Roman, Man Utd were raped of knocking on for a billion pounds worth of debt, Liverpool are being plunged further into debt, and Arsenal need to make more money than Tesco each year just to pay off their debts (that's a slight exaggeration).

    Ashley has reduced Newcastles debt by giving them £110m toward it. Do these people not realise just how much money that is?

    Talk to me, Goose.

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    They are stupid Geordie's...£110m is read as £110...


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    You're right Rich. "Don't know what you've got 'till its gone" should be the anthem.

    King Kev has done shite all for them, I find it unbelievable that the fans preach allegance to him rather than someone who has stablised the club and holds the key to their future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Del Poppolo
    You're right Rich. "Don't know what you've got 'till its gone" should be the anthem.

    King Kev has done s**te all for them, I find it unbelievable that the fans preach allegance to him rather than someone who has stablised the club and holds the key to their future.
    This article sums up the Toon Army perfectly

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle4761813.ece


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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeBaker
    This article sums up the Toon Army perfectly

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle4761813.ece
    Harsh words !

    But I particularly liked:

    Where is the gallows humour, the sense of irony, the satirical edge? Where is the old-fashioned self-mockery that characterises most other groups of English football fans when their team are having a bad time of it?




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    I tell you what, that article could just about be written about us!


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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeBaker
    This article sums up the Toon Army perfectly

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle4761813.ece
    Typical Times bulls**t. The rag has a history of hostility towards the North East and Matthew Syed is the worst kind of person: a supposed socialist who writes for Rupert Murdoch and reveres Tony Blair.

    For the record, the following aspects of this supposedly "perfect" article are wrong:

    Where is the gallows humour, the sense of irony, the satirical edge? Where is the old-fashioned self-mockery that characterises most other groups of English football fans when their team are having a bad time of it?
    Evident with everyone I spoke to on Saturday. Every fan walked a line between devastation at the state of the club and the kind of grim humour that was apparently markedly absent. It makes his "get out more" comments laughably hypocritical. I assume he was in either Berkshire or London on Saturday.

    Check out the attendances when Newcastle were languishing in the second division at the start of the 1990s and you will get the measure of the myth that has clung to the black-and-white-shirted men and women for far too long. That's right, they were often much fewer than 20,000 and with the Gallowgate end partially deserted. Is that what you call loyalty?
    As I've said before, their average attendance over the past 100 years is around the 35,000 mark, roughly the same as Manchester United and Liverpool. Yet this is a club without anything like the history of those two clubs. In the 1967/68 season, when United were the reigning Champions of Europe, they broke the record for the best average attendance over the course of a season in British football history. The previous record belonged to Newcastle, who broke their own record in three successive seasons in the late forties. Two of those three seasons were spent in the old Second Division. The explanation for the waining attendances in the late 80's is more attributable to the fact that at that particular time in history, the North east of England was the most impoverished region in Western Europe. But then, as a New Labour accolyte, Syed would know that, wouldn't he?

    The only way that Newcastle fans are ever going to be truly happy is when they have formed a collective to buy the club and have made a pig's ear, as they inevitably would...When they have rehired Keegan to manage the team, Shearer to be his assistant and the ghost of Jackie Milburn to do the scouting.
    Yes, in a game in thrall to foreign investment, foreign coaches, foreign players and a 39th game to be played on foreign soil, how distasteful is it that a fan base should remain fervently loyal to local heores? Strange that a man who once criticised financial punishments for clubs with fans guitly of racist chanting should suddenly become the enemy of parochial-mindedness.

    A terrible article, born out of ignorance and old fashioned prejudice. Perfectly fitting for The Times, then.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Truly Madeley Deeply
    Typical Times bullshit. The rag has a history of hostility towards the North East and Matthew Syed is the worst kind of person: a supposed socialist who writes for Rupert Murdoch and reveres Tony Blair.
    Isn't that you?


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    Quote Originally Posted by richjcrouch
    I tell you what, that article could just about be written about us!
    Sadly not. After discussing their protest with them, and hearing that they were mostly disappointed with the turn out of around 1000 fans, I regaled them with stories of the last protest we had: on the brink of League 1 when about 60 people gathered in the club car park to half heartedly clap their hands whilst about twice as many stood around laughing at them.

    If we had their dedication we'd never have sunk to the third tier.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Truly Madeley Deeply
    Yes, in a game in thrall to foreign investment, foreign coaches, foreign players and a 39th game to be played on foreign soil, how distasteful is it that a fan base should remain fervently loyal to local heores? Strange that a man who once criticised financial punishments for clubs with fans guitly of racist chanting should suddenly become the enemy of parchial-mindedness.
    Can't disagree with this.

    I do, however, feel that the Newcastle fans don't seem, or are not being portrayed, to understand exactly what Ashley has brought to the club.

    Two hundred and fifty million pounds is a massive amount of money. That is investment that a club like us could only dream about, and we're nowhere near the bottom of the league system financially speaking.


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    Quote Originally Posted by richjcrouch
    Isn't that you?
    Well News International pays about 15% of my salary, but I haven't written anything in literally months.

    And as for the Tony Blair comment... *


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    Quote Originally Posted by richjcrouch
    Can't disagree with this.

    I do, however, feel that the Newcastle fans don't seem, or are not being portrayed, to understand exactly what Ashley has brought to the club.

    Two hundred and fifty million pounds is a massive amount of money. That is investment that a club like us could only dream about, and we're nowhere near the bottom of the league system financially speaking.
    The problem they have with Ashley is that he came in claiming to be "one of the lads" and a die hard fan, and has since tried to sell the club on three seperate occasions for little more than £10million profit. He's flagrantly courted buyers almost since the day he came in.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Truly Madeley Deeply
    Sadly not. After discussing their protest with them, and hearing that they were mostly disappointed with the turn out of around 1000 fans, I regaled them with stories of the last protest we had: on the brink of League 1 when about 60 people gathered in the club car park to half heartedly clap their hands whilst about twice as many stood around laughing at them.

    If we had their dedication we'd never have sunk to the third tier.
    That's a different ball game, though. It's not comparable for a number of reasons, the main one being the current stature of the club and the number of 'loyal' fans.

    You also have to factor in that we had seen a steady decline for coming up to ten years, with an anomalous blip of making the playoffs. They have been in the Premiership for that entire time, and have based what they see as 'feasible' financial situations on tabloid talk of clubs like Chelsea spending squillions of pounds.

    If someone had invested £250m into Forest, it would be a fool who protested.

    In fact, it is a fool who scoffs at such investment anyway. No other club I can think of, with the exception the Spanish clubs, have had that much money put into them unconditionally.

    £250m works out at around Three million pounds per game since Ashley took over - probably the most expensive season ticket in history.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Truly Madeley Deeply
    The problem they have with Ashley is that he came in claiming to be "one of the lads" and a die hard fan, and has since tried to sell the club on three seperate occasions for little more than £10million profit. He's flagrantly courted buyers almost since the day he came in.

    You have to question as to whether that was an initial plan, or something he developed a desire to achieve upon the realisation of the situation.

    He very quickly realised that he wouldn't be able to be the 'saviour' of the club, as nothing will ever be good enough for any club from any chairman/owner.

    Heroes at football clubs tend to be managers and players. Villains tend to be Chairmen first, managers second, players third.

    Players win matches, managers lose them, and chairmen never seem to be able to spend enough money on buying a victory.

    Regardless of Ashley's motives for wanting to sell the club, the fans have to take the resposibility for scaring off their Golden Goose.

    Did you read that open letter? The very end of it was one of the saddest things I've ever read from a footballing perspective where he said 'you don't need to protest, I get the picture', or something similar.


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    I saw something on Sky Sports where they discussed this letter, and his circumstances. Before he bought Newcastle, he was a virtual recluse, and only famous for business. The suggestion was that by buying Newcastle he though he'd make himself popular, hence the Saturday nights out buying booze for allcomers.

    However, fans buying clubs just doesn't work. You can't seperate the emotional side from the business head required.

    Newcastle fans are, in my opinion, living a blinkered life - Keegan was never going to win them anything anyway, Ashley's view of creating academies was the way forward, even if he didn't know how to implement a decent management structure. The previous Newcastle board chose to appease fans by buying random players/sacking managers every now and then, with poor results. Ashley, by paying off some of the debt, has made the club better placed to survive, and better suited to other investment coming into the club. It's a shame that he is being treated like a pariah just because the people underneath him couldn't work together. I'd welcome his £250 million at my club.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Truly Madeley Deeply
    Typical Times bulls**t. The rag has a history of hostility towards the North East and Matthew Syed is the worst kind of person: a supposed socialist who writes for Rupert Murdoch and reveres Tony Blair.

    For the record, the following aspects of this supposedly "perfect" article are wrong:


    Evident with everyone I spoke to on Saturday. Every fan walked a line between devastation at the state of the club and the kind of grim humour that was apparently markedly absent. It makes his "get out more" comments laughably hypocritical. I assume he was in either Berkshire or London on Saturday.


    As I've said before, their average attendance over the past 100 years is around the 35,000 mark, roughly the same as Manchester United and Liverpool. Yet this is a club without anything like the history of those two clubs. In the 1967/68 season, when United were the reigning Champions of Europe, they broke the record for the best average attendance over the course of a season in British football history. The previous record belonged to Newcastle, who broke their own record in three successive seasons in the late forties. Two of those three seasons were spent in the old Second Division. The explanation for the waining attendances in the late 80's is more attributable to the fact that at that particular time in history, the North east of England was the most impoverished region in Western Europe. But then, as a New Labour accolyte, Syed would know that, wouldn't he?
    Lets be honest though your views on this subject are well known so your hardly going to agree with him. As for your remarks about crowds well yes over the last 100 years their average is very good but then again Notts County once got 40k gates as did many clubs. If we focus on the last 20 years it paints a slightly different picture* & dispels the myth that many of the current crop of supporters are diehards who would follow Newcastle through thick & thin. Your remarks about poverty are of cause valid but many areas of the country saw equally impoverished times and also your argument doesn't explain that if things were so bad in the early 90s for example how come the poverty striken geordies all of a sudden found money to watch Football when Keegan took over. A sudden windfall perhaps or are they just as fickle as most fans in the modern era. Would these loyal fans remain if Newcastle slipped into the Championship ? The example of Sunderland would suggest otherwise when relegation cost them 10k plus fans overnight. As for dedication well Man City fans don't lack that yet they still slipped into league one.

    Your entitled to you opinion but its not one I share, My viewpoint is probably somewhere between you and this article but for me Newcastle fans need to wake up & realise that they are not a Man Utd, Liverpool or Arsenal & unless some rich Arab buys them then where they are now is probably the best they can hope for.


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    My problem isn’t with your opinion, so much as it is with the opinion of the journalist in question, whom I’ve long disliked. Of course, I can’t be objective about this subject as I have too much fondness for the city and her people. One thing I will say is that your point about their support over the last twenty years is probably inaccurate. If you look at their attendances since arriving in the Premiership 15 years ago, only one team can claim to have hosted more fans, and that’s the team that’s won the competition in 9 of those 14 seasons. That record speaks for itself, for me. The vast majority of fans these days don’t remember the nadir of the late 80’s and I’m pretty certain that they’d still get around the 40k mark if they went down tomorrow.*

    On a related note, one thing that did strike me was the genuine depth of feeling for Forest in those parts. We’re a very popular club up there. Carlisle are most people’s second team in the North East, but I was surprised by how many Geordies told me that they actually wanted us to go up ahead of them last season, mainly because we’re a club that deserves better than we’ve been subjected to in recent seasons. I think they worry that they could be headed down the same path. We also share a lot of pet hates - particularly Spurs and Liverpool…



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    Most of the crowd is made up of season ticket holders, so if they went down tomorrow, I'd think theor season ticket would still be valid until May.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Truly Madeley Deeply
    My problem isn’t with your opinion, so much as it is with the opinion of the journalist in question, whom I’ve long disliked. Of course, I can’t be objective about this subject as I have too much fondness for the city and her people. One thing I will say is that your point about their support over the last twenty years is probably inaccurate. If you look at their attendances since arriving in the Premiership 15 years ago, only one team can claim to have hosted more fans, and that’s the team that’s won the competition in 9 of those 14 seasons. That record speaks for itself, for me. The vast majority of fans these days don’t remember the nadir of the late 80’s and I’m pretty certain that they’d still get around the 40k mark if they went down tomorrow.*

    On a related note, one thing that did strike me was the genuine depth of feeling for Forest in those parts. We’re a very popular club up there. Carlisle are most people’s second team in the North East, but I was surprised by how many Geordies told me that they actually wanted us to go up ahead of them last season, mainly because we’re a club that deserves better than we’ve been subjected to in recent seasons. I think they worry that they could be headed down the same path. We also share a lot of pet hates - particularly Spurs and Liverpool…
    Its not exactly inaccurate as their attendances in the early 90s pre-keegan are there for all to see. There must still be a lot of fans who remember the early 90s who now attend today.As for the last 15 years having the 2nd biggest stadium in the Prem until recently will help with that statistic. Im sure there are many clubs who could attain their attendances if they had the capacity. However I will grant you in the premiership their crowds are impressive however the pre keegan gates of the early 90s mean they will always be open to flak whether they believe it justified or not. However like a lot of old Forest Fans I remember 1974 so maybe I will always be biased against them


 

 

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